Check out the story:
http://nwsportsmanmag.com/2013/04/10/wardens-nab-netters-with-242-lenore-lahontans/
Leland.
http://nwsportsmanmag.com/2013/04/10/wardens-nab-netters-with-242-lenore-lahontans/
Leland.
Jerks who commit crimes willingly give-up their "human dignity" with the decision to do so and forfeit any right to compassion from others, myself included. I suppose that if you were on Lenore in a boat that you would have saved the fleeing "fisherman" like anyone else would have. Would you have then helped him to escape (assuming that he didn't toss you out of your boat & continue his escape unencumbered)? Had this group broken into your house, would you still be as compassionate?basic sense of respect for human dignity and compassion
The outcome I have hope for goes way beyond the elimination of poaching... the reality is our laws, no matter how strict, do not eliminate such behavior and there is nothing we can do legally to guarantee such crimes will never be committed again, short of killing those who commit crimes (of any sort) against society. That is not to say laws are not important, but they cannot (in of themselves) change human behavior, though they certainly can positively influence it.... It would dishonest of me to say I have a "prescription" that would eliminate all such behavior because I do not... we are all broken and messed up in some way as human beings, but I do know, that real change (of heart and mind) in ALL people is possible (simply because we are human), though some may never want to change or see the need to change, and thus never will because it cannot be "forced" upon them. We have free will and make our choices and we must be accountable for them, but if we allow the evil acts of others to be the "measuring stick" by which we judge them and the "rightness" of our response towards them, then we do not end that cycle of evil, but we perpetuate it and enable to spread... like a virus. All I am inviting others to see is the possibility that there is another "way" by which we can see others and ourselves which remains True no matter how dire, dark, violent, and brutal the situation with other people may be.. that Goodness is stronger than evil and remains so especially when we resist the temptation to fight evil with evil, instead of killing it with love... that is the only thing that will destroy it.DBK,
It's your prerogative to regard posters lack of sympathy and empathy however you wish, but assuming it's positive outcomes we're after - you do seek a positive outcome, don't you? - what is your prescription that leads to the outcome where these four men never poach the public commons again? We know lethal force prevents (and precludes) recidivism, but what compassionate, sympathetic, and empathetic alternative do you have that produces an equivalent outcome?
Ira, there is hope for you after all. You are starting to get cranky like me and OMJ. Next thing you know your screenname will change to OMI and when you fish you will only use three flies.Hell yeah, lets kill the scum bag poachers! Damm I wish those wardens had a license to kill then we wouldn't even be having this debate, they killed the fish the slimy good for nothings deserve the bullet no doubt. Dang it if people like Alex though didn't go out and fight for our freedom and our constitution and that stupid due process crap. But what the hell they are obviously a bunch of illegal immigrants with names like Krikistateted or whatever the hell they were because those sure aren't American names. Don't you all wish we as good Americans had that special license kill, to be judge and jury on the spot, we don't need to find out anymore information, they were bad, string them up, stop wasting time and energy and money, we see the bad and we put an immediate end to it. Start packing men and if you are a sleeze ball poacher or rule breaker I'm going to be gunning for you because you are not worth my empathy/sympathy/whateverathy. I'm sure that most of you agree that if you had caught these guys and been given the right to do so you would have pulled the trigger without hesitation.
Heck let's not stop at these guys, I mean hell these guys only killed fish, lets go after the real bad dudes and duddets lets go after the people who talk on their cell phones and text while driving those people cause over 2,500 human deaths a year and over another 330,000 injuries. Talk about terrorists! Cops should just pull those people over shoot them on sight, impound their cars and stuff and sell it so the state can have more money.
Next on my list is those speeders, you know who you are. Over 10,000 deaths a year are contributed to speeding. Hell over 32% of all traffic deaths can be attributed to speeding at a cost of over $40 billion a year. Those are the real criminals.
And in both these cases, these are people willfully breaking the law and knowingly putting other peoples lives in danger. Not fishes lives, but human lives. These are scumbags to the nth degree and do not deserve right to due process.
Hell in comparison to traffic a-holes, what those poachers did seems meaningless, but don't get me wrong they are still scumbags that deserve to DIE, and I have no doubts about my ability to judge with little or limited information, they are what they are and they will never change.
As has already been mentioned, there are already to many humans on planet Earth and it is about time we started doing something to cull the population. Make a mistake and you pay the cheapest way we know how, bullet in the head and you share a mass grave with a bunch of other folks, I like it, I like it a lot as long as I get to be the judge of what is right and wrong.
Oh and Alex, I think dbk has met evil like you mentioned, in fact I think he's faced it right here on this forum.
So worth breaking my new years resolution not to get sucked into this garbage!
Your right Alex I've always thought recycling was a stupid idea. Just throw it away and get it over with right? Who cares about the overall impact to our environment. Great analogy.We're done now with this rubbish; Those of you who wish things were different, I can't fault you. I, too wish we had no more scum wandering the landscape. Let's put it this way: we have two different kinds of people here, both working toward a common goal. One group works to reduce the amount of garbage by trying to get more out of it, the other group simply takes out the trash. The end result is the same.
I like it! My own daughter brought home a little schmuck who tried to tell me he didn't smoke when I could smell it on him. I was driving them to a movie, and stopped the car, turned around and said "don't lie to me, you little shit, I'll twist your head off your neck". To which my daughter said; "he'd do it, too; he was a Navy SEAL". That was the end of my problems with "boyfriends".For the older guys on here favoring gentle treatment of the poachers, the harsher treatment though not desirious, would have one additional benefit. It would prevent your daughters from bringing said miscaltrants home and introducing them to you as their new boyfriends.
Not truly accurate, but sort of "around the mark". One of our prohibitions, against "cruel & unusual" punishment was in regard to the English practice of hanging until not quite dead (mostly dead, like in Princess Bride), then cutting out the entrails, burning them while the criminal was still sort of alive, then cutting him up and sending the parts to various parts of the kingdom. There were several forms of this, so they didn't always follow the same routine. People left Europe originally due mainly to religious persecution. Once the colonies were safely established, the next wave came primarily to make money; among this wave was the group that were either indentured servants or slaves. Since the revolutionary war, the primary motivator's been economic, with religious and ethnic persecution following very close behind. 16th, 17th, 18th and to some extent, 19th century punishments resulted in death for many, many offenses, so in that regard it was what I'd consider severe.i'm not a historian but my impression has been that our founders came from societies where governments used their authority in ways similar to what some here are pining for
Please put me happily in the "wish the sob had drowned" camp. Or shot. Or shot while drowning. Yeah, I hate criminals. And poachers are right up there (down there?) with rapists and pedophiles. Drown 'em all.Really???
Although I think these A-holes should get the full punishment they deserve (and yes, I've sent my personal message to the Grant County prosecutor), do you really want to trade a human life for any number of fish?
I know your sig says you're the "meanest S.O.B. in the valley" but you'd want to see someone die for stealing fish?
Sorry bud, that's just not my philosophy.
Obviously, YMMV.