2002-2003 WDFW Rule Changes - Droppers

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  1. Chris Scoones

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    The use of a dropper in selective gear waters has been questioned recently as the current verbiage doesn't support it, regardless of it's original intent. The WDFW is adopting proposals that'll put the question to bed.

    Taken from the 2002-2003 Sportfishing Rules Concise Explanatory Statement. For the entire statement, [link:www.wa.gov/wdfw/fish/regs/2002ces.htm|go here].

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    [h3]#1 FLY FISHING ONLY[/h3]

    PROPOSAL: Currently, the definition of the gear that must be used in "Fly Fishing Only" waters states "an angler may use the following tackle: a fly with a single barbless single hook which measures ½" or smaller from the point to the shank ...." It also states that anglers may not use monofilament leader longer than 15' or with a breaking strength of more than 12 pounds. This proposal would allow anglers to use up to two flies, each with a single barbless hook which measures ½" or smaller from point to shank, and monofilament leaders of any length or breaking mstrength in "Fly Fishing Only" waters. All other requirements would remain the same.

    EXPLANATION: The use of a "dropper fly" is a common fly fishing technique that is not allowed under the current definition. This is also true of using a long monofilament leader. Keeping the other requirements for "Fly Fishing Only" waters serves to separate them from "selective gear" waters.

    TESTIMONY:
    -Change allowing a "dropper fly’ is a good one Strike indicators and "micro-shot" are part of a fly-fisher’s tackle and micro-shot is restricted in fly fishing only areas but not under selective gear rules. Should delete "weight attached to the leader" in the fly fishing definition and allow weight unless specific snagging problems exist. In the interest of standardization it is suggested that the number of flies allowed for fly fishing only and selective gear waters be standardized at either 2 or 3.
    -Do not support the use of a "dropper fly." It is a common technique used by guides east of the Rockies -allows even a beginner to catch fish. We have ample waters where this technique can be used without diluting our "fly fishing only" waters with this commercial expedient. Oregon requires one single barbless hooks for fly fishers on the N Umpqua.
    -Support the changes.(9)
    -I am a fly fisher - one fly is enough - why degrade the sport?
    -Support - fly fishing public is increasing.(2)
    -Support but would like to add : in fly fishing only waters, anglers may use floating strike indicators up to 3/4" in diameter and 3/4" in length, but no larger. Strike indicators may be attached either to the line or the leader. Increasing numbers of individuals have been observed using cylindrical floats up to 5" in length on the NF Stillaguamish. This is clearly not fly fishing. Limiting the size of the floating strike indicator would permit fishermen to cast in the conventional manner and use suspended nymphs or chironomid patterns in fly fishing only waters, but would prevent the use of bait-fishing tactics for steelhead during the fly fishing only season on the NF Stillaguamish.
    -Opposed. No fly fisher needs leader stronger than 12 lb test nor longer than 15'. Could result in someone trolling 5' of fly line, 80' of monofilament leader and a 5" "fly." This would not be fly fishing. Olympic Peninsula Fly Fishers Club (64 members) opposed dropping leader restriction- should be no longer than 25' with a breaking strength of no more than 12 pounds to stay true to the essence of the fly
    fishing only designation.
    -Good rule change - use of the "dropper fly" is well known.
    -Two flies is fine, but not more than 2. No need to allow heavier leaders people can snag with. Removing the leader length restriction is good.
    -Dropper flies can be very effective - also very harmful. If the fish takes the dry fly rather than the 2nd fly (nymph) it is likely to be hooked by the 2nd fly. There is no need to allow this. Anglers can still catch fish with a single fly. Suggest 20' length maximum for leader, no restriction on breaking strength. Minimum length of fly line (25') should be at least 20'.
    -South Sound Fly Fishers support proposal.
    -Washington Fly Fishing Club supports proposal.
    -Support. The elimination of the 12 lb test requirement for the leader is important.
    -Support. Have often fished with long leaders and 2 files.

    STAFF RECOMMENDATION: Adopt as Proposed

    ACTION TAKEN: Adopted

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    [h3]#2 SELECTIVE GEAR RULES[/h3]

    PROPOSAL: The current definition of selective gear rules states that anglers must use "...unscented artificial flies or lures with one barbless single hook....." This proposal would change the wording to "...unscented artificial flies or lures with one barbless single hook are allowed; up to three flies or lures may be used.....". All other portions of the definition remain unchanged.

    EXPLANATION: The current wording for selective gear rules does not clearly portray the department’s intent that up to three single barbless hooks may be used in selective gear waters. The new wording will make this clear.

    TESTIMONY:
    -Change allowing a "dropper fly’ is a good one Strike indicators and "micro-shot" are part of a fly-fisher’s tackle and micro-shot is restricted in fly fishing only areas but not under selective gear rules. Should delete "weight attached to the leader" in the fly fishing definition and allow weight unless specific snagging problems exist. In the interest of standardization it is suggested that the number of flies allowed for fly fishing only and selective gear waters be standardized at either 2 or 3.
    -Do not support the use of a "dropper fly." It is a common technique used by guides east of the Rockies -allows even a beginner to catch fish. We have ample waters where this technique can be used without diluting our "fly fishing only" waters with this commercial expedient. Oregon requires one single barbless hooks for fly fishers on the N Umpqua.
    -Support the changes.(9)
    -I am a fly fisher - one fly is enough - why degrade the sport?
    -Support - fly fishing public is increasing.(2)
    -Support but would like to add : in fly fishing only waters, anglers may use floating strike indicators up to 3/4" in diameter and 3/4" in length, but no larger. Strike indicators may be attached either to the line or the leader. Increasing numbers of individuals have been observed using cylindrical floats up to 5" in length on the NF Stillaguamish. This is clearly not fly fishing. Limiting the size of the floating strike indicator would permit fishermen to cast in the conventional manner and use suspended nymphs orchironomid patterns in fly fishing only waters, but would prevent the use of bait-fishing tactics for steelhead during the fly fishing only season on the NF Stillaguamish.
    -Opposed. No fly fisher needs leader stronger than 12 lb test nor longer than 15'. Could result in someone trolling 5' of fly line, 80' of monofilament leader and a 5" "fly." This would not be fly fishing.
    -Olympic Peninsula Fly Fishers Club (64 members) opposed dropping leader restriction- should be no longer than 25' with a breaking strength of no more than 12 pounds to stay true to the essence of the fly fishing only designation.
    -Good rule change - use of the "dropper fly" is well known.
    -Two flies is fine, but not more than 2. No need to allow heavier leaders people can snag with. Removing the leader length restriction is good.
    -Dropper flies can be very effective - also very harmful. If the fish takes the dry fly rather than the 2nd fly (nymph) it is likely to be hooked by the 2 nd fly. There is no need to allow this. Anglers can still catch fish with a single fly. Suggest 20' length maximum for leader, no restriction on breaking strength. Minimum length of fly line (25') should be at least 20'.
    -South Sound Fly Fishers support proposal.
    -Washington Fly Fishing Club supports proposal.
    -Support. The elimination of the 12 lb test requirement for the leader is important.
    -Support. Have often fished with long leaders and 2 files.

    STAFF RECOMMENDATION: Adopt as Proposed

    ACTION TAKEN: Adopted
     
  2. Paul Huffman

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    Is this testimony from public hearings or the commissioners?
     
  3. guest

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    Thats great information, thanks for the link. I haven't ever seen the proposals in that context before. :THUMBSUP
     

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