Discussion in 'Steelhead' started by DanielOcean, May 10, 2013.
Don't be a puss
Fine ill go fishing.
That's why TURDS like him a spey rod,it's a longer joustin' stick.
any idea on what part? check your pm inbox later today.
I have no idea yet. I am thinking possibly that bridge in sultan ( or is it goldbar) where the wallace enters the river.
So it is the day before opening day. I am very excited and decided to take a little trip down to the river to try my water reading skills. So I went over to Al Borlin park here in Monroe where it is right next to the Sky. Honestly from what I saw or what I had access too, there was really not any good holding water. I saw a few seems but the speed of the water seemed a bit too fast. So I came to the conclusion that this is not prime steelhead water. SO am I right? If I am wrong in my observations then I need to study more about reading water.
Is that the public access immediately downstream of the Lewis St. bridge? I haven't seen that spot in a few years, and last time I did, it didn't look like prime holding water. However, rivers are always changing, and a spot that's good one year isn't the next, and junk water can become a hotspot.
That is exactly where I am talking about. If you could get to the other side of the river then I see potential but but I do not see that happening for me. I am heading out tomorrow somewhere on the sky to try my luck.
Al Borlin is upstream of Lewis Street, near the site of the old train bridge. I haven't been there in years, but always thought it was featureless like you observed. There used to be a nice run above it but last time I looked from the highway it looked like it had changed a lot.
A lot of good water, maybe most of it, won't be right in front of a park or access site. You'll have to leave your car at the park and find a trail to the good stuff.
Well just got back and wanted to post what I have found out, and that is I really suck at casting. I have been practicing in my back yard with practice leader but when I threw a heavy steelhead fly on my line it just seemed like everything changed. I would say I got used to it after a couple hours of casting but man it was a bit frustrating at first. I am sure after some time I will get the hang of it. From now on I am going to practice with a heavier fly.
Over all the day was nice. I fished the Lewis Street bridge on the skykomish. Unfortunately the river was VERY congested full of other anglers and ALOT of boats. I really had no choice but to take what I could get. I kept wishing that I would have perhaps gone to the Stilly or something.
The one thing that did kind of get under my skin was how rude some of the boaters were. Every single drift boater was very nice, but holy shit the dudes with the outboards made there presence known. A couple other anglers walked up to me looking very pissed off and it looked like they wanted trouble. They ended up telling me how sorry they felt for me as they saw so many boaters zooming by me and disturbing me. I just shrugged my shoulders and said, " i guess they have every right to be out here too, honestly I wish I had a boat".
So that was my day, I learned a lot even though I did not have any success. I drank some beer ate some jerky, and had fun. I do hope it will slow down a bit though out there.
So I have been floating around looking at other threads. It seems that the majority agree that when starting out like me, it is "easier" to fish for trout rather than steelhead. I can see some wisdom in this advice from my own experiences today. From what I have noticed, casting a larger heavier fly plus poly leader definately made things more complex. I can surely see that perhaps casting a 5 wt with a dry fly or nymph setup can be more "user friendly". I however have decided to make the commitment to torturing myself. So consider this another valuable point supplied by more experienced anglers on this forum.
Also want to note the importance of dressing appropriately. I noticed how fast I got hot today wearing a full set of waders and only standing in ankle deep water. So for all you fellow new guys thinking about rods, reels, and lines, that is great but please do not neglect your own health when on the river, and please take some thought into your clothes and methods of nutrition and hydration. I was counting my blessings having my camelbak on my back with 2 liters of ice cold water.
It really sucks to learn that you can't cast only after you're on the water for a day's fishing. Lawn casting WITH THE GEAR YOU'RE GOING TO FISH WITH really helps, minus the hook anyway. Use a fly and cut the hook off at the bend. How heavy a fly? If you're just learning to cast, I recommend avoiding weighted flies, and if your rod is an 8 wt, make your largest fly a size 4, unweighted. Once you already know how to cast is the time to experiment with larger and heavier flies. BTW, are you casting a poly leader on the end of a standard, unmodified WF8F? If so, that could be part of your lousy casting. I think I already posted a sink tip line that casts and fishes easier/better in this log. You should read it; lotta' good info.
Welcome to 21st century fishing. There are 3 times as many people but exactly the same amount of water as 40 years ago, and more of it is posted.
Trout fishing is easier than steelheading only because there are more trout around than there are steelhead. Plus trout actively feed, so presenting a fly that imitates natural food in a near natural way ups the odds a whole lot.
Dressing appropriately only matters if you're not in your teens or twenties. That's why one of my first chapters is how to dress like a fisherman, from the skin out. Hydration is important. I used to drink river water, but a nasty case of giardia cured me of that. I always pack a water bottle and some beer in warm weather. A flask of whisky in the cooler months is nice also.
How alarming. Yes I was using a poly leader with a weighted fly. It was giving me a very difficult time. I was used to tossing a regular mono leader with a small dry fly. After a lot of research about the problem I discovered and confirmed that my issue was casting too hard too fast. it seems when casting larger flies and poly leaders it is best to slow down and open the loop. The best way I can describe the problem if you will is that the fly was flying too fast and hitting the end of the leader hard creating slack in my line which was also causing line stripping issues. It took a lot of false casts to get the line out there than what I was used too. I am going to head to the park to practice what is called an oval cast ( I am sure you guys know this but new to me.) The oval cast is apparently the best way to cast heavy equipment from what I understand.
Looks like the guys at Pacific Fly Fishers highly recommend the Rio Versitip II multi tip system for my situation. They say that the standard line profile of my gpx line is not well suited for sink tips. They say I need the fat end of the line all the way forward.
I haven't used a RIO versitip line so have no personal opinion. But not everyone likes them, but that could be said about any sink tip. All I know is that I have made and comfortably used many sink tip lines from standard WF*F lines cut and looped or spliced at 15' from the tip. Even simpler, except for more splices, is splicing a favored running line, then 15' of level 8 or whatever weight, then splice on or loop a sinking tip. Easy to cast and fish. You have so much energy for this endeavor you should consider giving this a try.
Oh, BTW, that's right about slowing down and opening your loop if casting weighted flies.
PS: fishing around the Lewis St bridge is such a newb move. There's good water upstream and downstream from there. A ways.
Oh for gods sakes man I know that was shitty water but a newb has to do what a newb has to do. LOL. Anyways, are you suggesting I cut my wf line back about 15 feet to where the fat part of the taper begins? This does make sense. Will the poly leader turn over much better if I get rid of that thin part? I need to understand clearly before I butcher my 75 dollar line.
A integrated shooting head fly line like a Rio Outbound Short or SA Streamer Express or the Airflo one (don't recall the name) works exceptionally well with Poly Leaders. I personally don't like single hand versi tip lines. They kink like made in the air since the tip has no taper and is looped on.
Like Salmo said, you'll have much better time if your willing to drive away from Lewis Street. And even better if you get out of the car and walk.
So if i cut ky line back 15feet will the poly leader perform better