A rookies log.

Discussion in 'Steelhead' started by Danielocean, May 10, 2013.

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  1. Danielocean Steelhead Virgin

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    I am positive I am doing nothing wrong. I really spent a lot of time working out the kinks in my casting technique and I think I am good to go now.
  2. Steffan Brown ...

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    Yeah, I'm leaning in SG's direction on this. I get most all my steelhead flies from Pacific Fly Fishers and have no issues with them. Most of the time I lose them before they fall apart on me. Some of the flies in my box have been fished for over a year with no issues; granted not every fly in my box gets fished each time I go out. I'm thinking there's something else going on and it's not a quality control issue at PFF.
  3. Jason Rolfe Wanderer

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    I'll throw in a couple thoughts.

    Regarding flies--you'd be surprised at the myriad ways one is able to fuck up flies without even realizing it. It might be some little thing going on that you aren't even noticing. A common problem I have is fishing too deep, then getting flies hung up in rocks, and then as I'm trying to pull them free I lose the hackle or the wing as it gets cinched between rocks. So I guess I'm saying, it might not only be casting issues. Could be an issue with the way you are fishing them. I've never been to PFF, but I would guess a lot of people on here would stand by their products. And I would guess that if you went in and talked to them they would probably take care of you either way.

    Regarding not catching fish--I didn't even expect to catch a fish during my first season of steelheading. I managed to hook and lose one, and I was overjoyed. If you're getting down on yourself for not catching a fish after your first few attempts, then you are in for a long, hard road filled with disappointment.

    I've been at it a few seasons now, and have yet to land a fish. But the few I've hooked have made it all worth the trouble.

    Jason
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  4. plaegreid Saved by the buoyancy of citrus

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    This is my first season targeting these bad-boys, and that's how I'm looking at it too. This will be my year to learn how to read steelhead water, find good runs, tie some baller new flies, and just enjoy new areas. If I happen to hook some steel, bricks will be shat and the whole season will be a win. Even if you don't catch one this year, just think of all the knowledge you've already gained. Barring severe head trauma or prolonged binge-drinking sessions, all that information will help you become increasingly successful down the road.
  5. The Duke Been around

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    Keep an eye on your back cast to see if you touch down on the rocks behind you. I have been know to ruin a lot of steelhead flies that way, and have been casting a fly rod for over 15 years.

    Keep at it. Once you figure it out, your flies will be ruined by fish and not their surroundings.

    Thanks for the entertaining thread!
  6. Danielocean Steelhead Virgin

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    Maybe you guys are right. I will have to pay attention to my back cast more next time. I learned not to fish too deep my first trip of the season and that fixed snapping the flies on the rocks. However, now that I really think about it hard I can remember I was snapping my flies on top of the water every now and then. Perhaps that is what is causing it.
  7. Evan Virnoche Guest

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    We can all work on pur casting
  8. Danielocean Steelhead Virgin

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    I am enjoying a nice evening tying a shit load of flies. My wife says I am wasteful though. Ehhh told her to suck it.
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  9. Salmo_g Active Member

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    Daniel,

    Anytime the wife is critical of things fishing related, just ask her how many purses and pairs of shoes she has. That should end it. Good luck tying more bait.

    Sg
  10. James Mello Inventor of the "closed eye conjecture"

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    Or how much cheaper it is than booze, hookers and coke....
  11. Evan Virnoche Guest

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    depending on what kind of coke your talking about it could be anywhere from 99cents to about $90
  12. Danielocean Steelhead Virgin

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    So here's another question. How long does it usually take for a steelhead to start changing color. Correct me if I am wrong. When the fish enters the water they are very silverish in color. Then as time goes by they get that redish rainbow color to them?
  13. Danielocean Steelhead Virgin

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    Another question that will benefit future noobs. How can you tell the difference between a Male, and Female steelhead?
  14. BaldBob Member

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    That is the general trend. However many steelhead (especially bucks) enter the rivers already colored up. Also many steelhead (especially hens) will keep their silvery color for months after entering fresh water. Another point, even a fish that was highly colored may return to a silvery color after spawning - though it will be considerably more drab than a fresh run silvery fish.
    In addition to the characteristics pointed out above - Males will have a head that tapers to a pointed snout and will sometimes have at least a slight hook to their jaw. Females have very little taper to their head which ends in a fairly blunt rounded snout.
  15. Joe Pombrio Member

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    Really?
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  16. Danielocean Steelhead Virgin

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    Yeah really. Its called being positive, optimistic, confident. Learn it live it love it. I decided not to think about my cast anymore. I just go out and fish.
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  17. Danielocean Steelhead Virgin

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    Anyway, so I have been doing a lot of studying about that Skeena river up north. It looks amazing. I can not do anything about it this year but my wife and I are interested in going on a couple guided trips next year, and using up some vacation time.
  18. Salmo_g Active Member

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    Daniel,

    The fish are already in water, so they don't ". . . enters the water they are very silverish in color." The coloration of steelhead is a combination of environmental factors and sexual maturity. As pelagic ocean fish, a good environmental strategy is to be dark on top (steel blue) so that overhead predators don't see them standing out against the dark depths of the sea. And the flip side - literally - is that a snow white belly does not stand out much against the sky to predators lurking beneath them. Steelhead generally enter freshwater in their ocean colors, unless they are late winter steelhead already exhibiting advanced sexual maturity. In the latter cases, steelhead may show the beginnings up to advance stages of their spawning colors, depending on how close in time they are to spawning. Summer steelhead retain their ocean colors longer because they are months to a year away from spawning. Summer steelhead gradually assume colors more like a resident trout, with an olive green back replacing the steel blue that they left the ocean with. Smalma posted some time ago about how summer steelhead that get quite trout colored through the summer months as the rivers drop and clear can then brighten up a bit in response to fall rains and higher flows. Eventually sexual maturity will cause them to darken up and assume their spawning colors. After spawning, steelhead begin to brighten up on their return to the ocean. Well, mainly females do. Males mostly remain colored up and continue searching for more unspawned females and don't often survive to make it back out to sea.

    Don't go getting yourself all excited about the Skeena country. The Canadian are doing what they can to discourage NRAs (non-resident aliens) from steelhead fishing in BC. They have increased license fees, require an additional $60 steelhead conservation license, and an additional $20 to $40 per day classified waters license to fish any of the best and most popular summer-fall steelhead rivers in the Skeena system and elsewhere. In addition, the Kispiox Band now charges a $100 per person daily access fee to fish the best steelhead holding water on the lower Kispiox. Oh, and did I mention, NRAs cannot fish most steelhead areas on weekends, only weekdays. Guide days are in limited supply, so guides don't often do onesey - twosey guided day trips. Most want to book for 3 or 4 day minimums. And steelhead lodges run $7,000 to $8,000 a week. It's not a bad deal, but ya' really gotta' want to do it.

    Sg

    Sg
  19. gabe0430 Banned or Parked

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    There are lots of Steelhead, Salmon in OR, WA and Alaska, No need to go to Canada. I am starting out too and what I think I will do is go with a guide for a day here on the Sky, learn technic, holes good access locations etc. For the money it cost I am sure I'll learn years worth in an 8 hour day. I have been other guided trips on the Yakima in the Florida Keys and asside from catch fish you lean a wealth of info. I spent years trying to catch a Tarpon on my own with no luck, they took one guided trip and landed a Tarpon within 2 hours and learned how to do it for the future. The cost was well worth what you learn.
  20. Danielocean Steelhead Virgin

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    I guided trip next year locally is guaranteed for me. However, a guided trip in Canada is not guaranteed. Especially after hearing Salmo's response.
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