Discussion in 'Fly Fishing Forum' started by gabe0430, Jun 4, 2013.
Stream Flies I believe is the name of the company you are looking for.
I've ordered from BigYfly a few times and been pleased. You get a dud that unravels here and there, but for the price, I expect that. They're pretty quick too. I usually receive three or four days after ordering.
There is nothing wrong with Hill's flies. A site sponsor. These are very good flies.
BigY is a good source as noted above. Fast turnaround, excellent customer service.
I've ordered a few times from Big Y. The messed up an order once and fixed it promptly. I won't hesitate to order from them again.
Big y is solid as far as price/speed/service. Flies are better than you'd expect for the price (though not high end). I buy a lot of basics from them.
I love them! Average price for a fly around Seattle? 3 bucks plus tax.... I can get 7 bigyfly of decent quality for that price. Free shipping on orders over 30 dollars and they have rewards programs too.
hills flies is great service and quality,never had a problem with them
I can't comment on the supplier but if you are not tying your own, you are missing out on a great part of the fly fishing experience. It is not hard and is very rewarding.....
How is this a profitable business? I would love to think that there are a bunch of contracted tyers busting these flies out for a decent wage, but it doesn't add up. When a dozen flies are going for roughly $7 I become confused. Is there a mad tyer out there that can finish a couple dozen flies per hour to create a decent profit margin at minimum wage, or are these being tied overseas? I would guess the latter, but I have been wrong before... Twice .
China, Korea, Viet Nam, etc. You can be sure these flies are tied in a country with a dictator of some sort. You can also be sure the tyers, even if they are good, and they are, will remain in poverty for the rest of their lives.
I use their flies a bit, and they hold up well.
A lot of the cheaper flies come out of Africa.
The tyers in poor countries in Africa and Sri Lanka get paid twice the average wage in their country, which means that earn between $1.50 and $2.00/10-12 hour day. Hey they aren't being exploited, they are being given gainful employment and doubling the annual wage in their country. Who cares if they live in poverty, they are working aren't they? Besides, it isn't the fly importers problem if these folks are willing to work for such low wages, they are just providing a sales outlet for the product. And it certainly isn't the concern of the fellows buying flies from the importers because the fly fishers buying them are simply saving a few dollars not helping to keep folks in poverty or helping keep folks being exploited, right?
FT, there is some truth to what you are saying, as what they are paid may well be considered a good job, depending on the cost of living in their countries. Or, they may well be completely exploited with low wages, terrible working condition, child labor, enslavement even. I do wish we can get some sort of info on whether the flies or jeans or whatever we buy were created under fair conditions. And then we can all judge for ourselves whether that is something we want to be supporting, as we all have different notions of right or wrong.
As for "who cares if they live in poverty", I can tell you that some of us do think about such things.
Don't forget about the prison system for tiers as well as.
I read an article once somewhere about contracting out flytying to third world countries. Didn't sound very appetizing. Minimal / subpar materials wrapped on a no-name hook made by Itsall Wong just down the street.
Much like the fly fishing biz in general in the US, more than likely you are not going to get rich tying flies. Then again most people do it because they enjoy it. Probably a dying breed.
I don't know of too many full time tiers who made their living from strictly tying flies. More than likely they would live in their Mom and Dad's basement or a van down by the river.
I talked to a retired dude at Flipper's Casino who told me he makes 14,000 a year tying flies. He clearly doesn't tie for Big Y. I go with them for stuff I don't like tying myself. The quality is fair though fly shop flies put them to shame!
BigY - value is solid, service is great, business model works. The $3 flies from the shops are from overseas too, just get over it or tie your own.
Unfortunately, the only other choice most of these folks have that are tying flies in these fly factories in the poor African countries and Sri Lanka if they don't work for such terrible wages is "living off the land", i.e. no job (and therefore, no wages).
Are they being exploited, without question. Do they do so willingly, again, it is better for them than the alternative of starving to death. Could the companies who have them tie flies for them pay them better wages, again the answer is yes. But why should they when they can get away with paying a pittance and then selling the flies for cheap.
When I was growing up (I was born in 1953), there were many people in the USA making a good living doing nothing other than tying flies. That is not the case today unless a person becomes a fly tying celebrity. Unless of course they wish to live in their parent's basement, a van down by the river, or in a tent. Many excellent tyers have given up on tying commercially because they cannot compete with the foreign fly factories on price or short delivery times.
The fellow Kyle mentioned who makes $14,000.00/year tying flies is retired or he couldn't afford to do it. And for him to make $14K a year, he is tying a lot of flies and more of less has a full-time job tying flies.