Carnage Hopper (variation) SBS

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  1. ScottP

    ScottP Active Member

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    hook - Dai Riki 280 #8
    thread - UTC 140 tan
    body/head - 2mm foam tan
    underwing - landscape fabric
    wing - elk hair
    legs - rubber medium tan barred
    eyes - foam cylinder
    indicator - 2mm foam

    Made a few changes to Adam Trina's original, mainly in the construction of the head (found it easier to work with the folded foam as opposed to the chunk of 6mm). The spiral-wrapped body is a pretty interesting design (love the segmentation effect); not really hard to do as long as you coat the needle with something to keep the foam from sticking. Vary the size of the needle (swiped a darning needle from my wife for this fly) and foam thickness based on the size of the bug. I used 2mm because I wanted a chunky bodied-hopper look; 1mm and .5mm razor foam may be better alternatives for smaller hoppers/stoneflies.

    Insert needle in vise

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    poke a hole in a strip of foam (hook gap width)

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    and slide on the needle (you'll want that tag end to hold onto)

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    didn't have any wax so I used a liberal application of Mucilin to coat the needle

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    brush Super Glue on about 3" of the foam

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    grab the tag end and spiral the foam up the needle; try to make the turns uniform in spacing and tension (for a fat body like this, I don't pull too hard)

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    continue wrapping a few more turns; hold for a sec until the glue sets

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    then slide the body off the hook; trim tag end

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    mash the hook barb, insert in vise and wrap thread to hook point

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    tie on a "binder strip" of foam (helps lock the body onto the hook in the following steps)

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    position body on hook, coat binder strip with Super Glue

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    brush a bit more glue on body strip and wrap forward 3 turns

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    tie off foam and trim

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    prepare underwing (hook gap width)

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    measure for length (extend a bit past the butt) apply a bit of glue and tie in

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    clean, stack and measure a clump of elk hair and tie in

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    invert fly, take another strip of foam (a bit wider than hook gap) and tie in at base of wing position

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    flip fly back over, poke a hole in it for hook eye

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    place a piece of foam cylinder at front of head

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    fold foam over top and tie down at base of wing

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    tie in legs

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    trim excess foam and tie in indicator

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    whip finish, SHHAN, trim legs, indicator and foam underneath and you're done

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    Regards,
    Scott
     
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  2. McNasty

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    one of the best foam patterns ive ever seen! gonna have to try some of those bodies.
     
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    Scott, I don't even fish for trout and you've got me stoked to tie some dries and give it a go this Summer.
     
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    Very nice! I will be tying that one for my box.
    Kelly Michelsen
     
  5. ScottP

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    Pookey isn't the only one pretty in pink

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    On second thought, the orange indicator seems a bit unnecessary.

    Regards,
    Scott
     
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    Tested the hopper out for a few days in Yellowstone NP and surrounding water - worked well but no better than any other patterns I tried, and in the smaller sizes (#12 and down) using the 1mm foam they proved to be somewhat fragile (the larger 2mm foam version was much more durable), with the extended body tearing off on a number of occasions. Not going to give up on it yet, but if I can't find a way to strengthen it up without adding time to the tying process, I may just stick to the bigger ones for this pattern and the Rogue version for smaller hoppers, which worked just fine. The Carnage drakes, on the other hand, seemed to hold up very well, and generated a lot of interest.

    Regards,
    Scott
     
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    Had an epifanny in Home Depot

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    now I'm tying tube fly hoppers

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    just hold the foam strip against the tube, apply a lot of Super Glue to the foam (no need to wax the needle)

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    wrap foam around tube; since it's not gonna stick to the needle I could really pull the foam tight to get good adhesion (to the tubing, too), and adjust tension to create body taper

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    slid off the needle slick as whale snot; now I got Carnage on a stick

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    trim the butt and front tube (not the front foam, yet) and poke a hole in the bottom to slide the hook into

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    insert hook in vise, start the thread and build up a tying base; forgot to add foam binder strip for more bulk (next time)

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    coat with Super Glue

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    slide the body forward, wrap once around with the foam and tie it down

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    clean, stack, measure a clump of elk hair and tie it in

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    take a wider strip of foam and tie in underneath at wing tie-in position

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    poke a hole in foam where hook eye meets, pull foam up, move thread to hook eye and secure foam with a couple firm wraps

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    move thread back to wing tie-in position and secure foam on top

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    add legs and indicator

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    trim head foam top and bottom, whip finish, SHHAN and you're done

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    dorsal

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    ana... errrr, from the back side

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    Sorry for the ugly orange hopper but I was playing around with some ideas for an October Caddis when inspiration hit. They make heat shrink tubing in 1/16" which would be a little smaller, but I think for hoppers #12-14, I'll use something like Larva Lace or Hareline tubing.

    Regards,
    Scott
     
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