Dam across creek

Discussion in 'Fly Fishing Forum' started by KerryS, Jul 20, 2013.

  1. KerryS Ignored Member

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    This morning I found a hand made dam completely blocking a medium size creek that flows into the Skagit. I know this creek is used by steelhead, salmon, and cutthroat to spawn. The dam is an obvious impediment to fish passage. I took some pictures and reported it to WDFW and to the State Dept. of Ecology. Is there some other agency I should report this to?

    Thx.
  2. Scott Salzer previously micro brew

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    Corps of Engineers?
  3. KerryS Ignored Member

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    Why, so they can come in and help build it bigger?
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  4. Alex MacDonald Dr. of Doomology

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    sounds like a nice spot for a judicious application of good old Compound 4...:eek: Not too much, just enough to get the job done!
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  5. Scott Salzer previously micro brew

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    COE is responsible and responds to a lot of water related issues, it is not just BIG dams. You asked for suggestions, sorry you didn't like mine.
  6. zen leecher aka bill w born to work, forced to fish

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    I think we need a beaver trapper.
  7. KerryS Ignored Member

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    I liked you making suggestions, I don't like COE. They have screwed up more waterways than all other entities out there combined. Nothing personal here.
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  8. KerryS Ignored Member

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    Not a beaver dam. It was hand built using river rock.
  9. zen leecher aka bill w born to work, forced to fish

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    Kerry, I realized I had erred when I re-read your original post.

    Home made dams..... definitely not good.
  10. Joe Goodfellow Active Member

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    Instead of seating here complaining about it. Why didn't you do something about? If you cared that much you would tear it down. I wouldn't be seating down at my computer I'd be tearing it down.
  11. jeff bandy Make my day

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    How about posting the Pics. and location? Might find it has taken care of itself. ;)
  12. triploidjunkie Active Member

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    I rip them down whenever I find them. Mostly just kids playing, not realizing what damage they are doing. If it's way out in the woods though, it could be pot farmers. I've found that before, too.
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  13. Porter Active Member

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    I'll second kids playing....they can be very creative at times.
  14. golfman44 Coho Queen

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    I saw these kids doing it by the Tinkham Campground last year on the SF Snoqualmie. Granted that part of the river is impossible to dam with little stones nor does it affect any spawning salmon -- but they were still trying.
  15. David Dalan 69°19'15.35" N 18°44'22.74" E

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    I knock them down. Technically I think that is illegal as well, but..meh.
  16. KerryS Ignored Member

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    It was on private property and in an area that people tend to protect their property with guns. I choose not to break the law by trespassing and take a chance on a confrontation. So, I reported it to the agencies that I believe are responsible for enforcement of such matters. My post here was not complaining it was questioning the board if they knew of any additional agencies I could report it. You really should do something to improve reading comprehension skills.
  17. bennysbuddy the sultan of swing

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    I sure hope they can get around to investigating the blockage
  18. FinLuver Active Member

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    If the creek was small enough to create a rock dam and is used for spawning; I would venture to guess that the fish wait it out, in the larger stream connected to it, for the first major rain before ascending and spawning.

    If nothing else, it may have added some cooler positive water for the youngins (no, not kids) that hang there, till flushing out to sea.
  19. cuponoodle breakfast gritty

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    Maybe Kerry can PM you the location so you can run up to Skagit County and start wrecking shit on private property.
  20. Smalma Active Member

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    Kerry -
    Well done!

    I would also think about contacting the local tribs. Maybe you and WW could contact the Upper Skagit and continue the development of a relationship between OS and the tribes.

    I'm with Kerry with taking the dam out himself. It is common this time of year to find such "structures" and yes they are typically build by kids though I have found groups working their dams that were decades removed from being teenagers. Those folks can be quite protective of their efforts and may not care much about the fish resource or understand the potential damage such structures might cause. Education can pay off at times and other times not so much.

    FinLuver -
    Those structures can be pretty harmful to our fish populations. While it is true that they will wash out with the fall rains there are situations where that is too late for fish migrating to their spawning grounds. An example would be bull trout. They currently are migrating to their spawning grounds and during dry falls will often begin spawning before the dams would wash out. A couple years on the South Fork Sauk I would find such structures during pre-spawning and spawning bull trout surveys. Would find adult fish holding below them. I would open a passage way (on USFS) and within a day or two the fish would make their way upstream. However over the weekend the structure would be "repaired". One year that process was repeated weekly for nearly a month and the full spawning season. That structure was blocking access to a major spawning area (that year nearly 200 adults spawned upstream of that dam).

    Depending on the site dam and the "pond" behind it can be harmful to the juvenile fish as well. The increased area of standing water can lead to increases in temperature as well as potentially increase inter-gravel flows resulting in lower downstream flows. While that is not always the case when either happens it impacts production of such critters as juvenile steelhead, coho, cutthroat and bull trout.

    Bottom line the solution to these kinds of problems include education of both those doing the work and those living in the area. In that regard a news release from the agencies on this reoccurring problems (it crops up every time we have stretch of hot weather this time of year) can be helpful. In this case if such a release were to come out a note and maybe a picture of Kerry's discovery to the local Skagit valley paper could be effective.

    Curt