dubbed bodies

Discussion in 'Fly Tying' started by zen leecher aka bill w, Jun 9, 2013.

  1. zen leecher aka bill w born to work, forced to fish

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    I've been using the split thread method of dubbing bodies lately, almost exclusively because I like the "look".

    One thing I've noticed as my previous dubbing method was getting a pinch of material and then twisting it around the thread is that when twisting material around a thread I'd commonly use 4x what I use in the split thread method. The split thread method uses almost what I'd consider bench cleanup duff.

    I'm almost to the point that I can split 3/0 silk in under a minute.
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  2. Joe Goodfellow Active Member

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    Nice where's the pics of the flies?
  3. zen leecher aka bill w born to work, forced to fish

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  4. Norm Frechette Active Member

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    why do you use 4x the dubbing when all you need are wisps of dubbing to do the job?

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  5. Joe Goodfellow Active Member

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  6. Matt Baerwalde ...

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    I had not heard of this...or forgot. Looked it up. I like it. Gonna try it.
  7. FT Active Member

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    Bill,

    I warned you that once you start using some of the methods that classic salmon fly tyers use to keep bulk to a minimum it would ruin you and that you'd start using those techniques in all of your tying. It sure sounds like my warning to you has come to pass first with the way you wing featherwing trout wet flies, and now with using the split thread dubbing technique. You have been bitten badly, now there is now hope and you will not tie flies the way you (and virtually all really good to excellent trout fly tyers) tied them.

    All I can say is: "Welcome to the club of fanatical fly tyers".
  8. Tim Cottage Formerly tbc1415

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  9. zen leecher aka bill w born to work, forced to fish

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    I went to the Ellensburg Fly Tying expo and observed FT and Ron Eagle Elk in their tying methods. Also had a session with Al Beatty.
  10. GAT Active Member

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    If you check out the SBS Forum and look at some of the original patterns posted by Hans, he uses the technique in many of clips.

    I'm too lazy to mess around splitting the thread. I can do it but I'm old and set in some of my ways. By the time I untwist the thread to flatten it, manage not to impale my fingers with a sewing needle I use to split the strands, insert the dubbing and re-twist the thread, I could have already dubbed the body using the ol' press-on method.

    I don't use dubbing loops for the same reason, I can use the technique but I'm lazy... and try not to spend a lot of time tying a fishing fly. However, the split thread system does work nifty if you're not an impatient man as I am.
  11. zen leecher aka bill w born to work, forced to fish

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    I did just that. And it's not easy to split a 6/0 or 8/0 thread and probably even harder to split a 12/0. I'm down now to where I can split a thread in about 10 seconds.
  12. GAT Active Member

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    Yeah, Hans splits 12/0. He uses Bennechi (sp?) thread same as I do. I've found Veevus 12/0 is about the same. Veevus is easier to find in the NW because it is distributed by Hareline so I'm slowly switching over to that brand.

    Hareline sells a thread that it markets as "splitting thread" but it's really just large size thread so splitting it is easier. I bought some and it works okay but really no better than 3/0 thread.

    I've found that a large size sewing needle works better for me than a bodkin. The hassle is untwisting the thread so it is flat enough to split.
  13. zen leecher aka bill w born to work, forced to fish

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    Always spin the thread clockwise to unwind.
  14. Norm Frechette Active Member

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    i'm right handed so i always spin the thread counter clockwise to unwind/flatten
  15. Gary Knowels Active Member

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    I've just started using the split thread technique. First time u used it was to do a CDC dubbed body and I used benecchi 12/0. Then I used uni 8/0 for another pattern. I liked splitting the benecchi better, but wish I could get it in 8/0 for times when I want to put a little more tension into the wraps.

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  16. zen leecher aka bill w born to work, forced to fish

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    HOUSTON.... we have a problem here. I'm right handed also.
  17. Norm Frechette Active Member

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    well I know I dont have the problem
  18. GAT Active Member

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    All my clocks are digital... no wonder I have trouble.
  19. Tim Cottage Formerly tbc1415

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    Pretty sure it has something to do with northern and southern hemispheres.

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  20. zen leecher aka bill w born to work, forced to fish

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    Turns out I'm backwards. I was tying flies today and found out I twist counter clockwise to flatten the thread. My watch has been digital for too long so I guess I forgot which way the numbers go.