jersey, thanks for the link. That's the only weed guard style I care for. I've been known to cut off the mono weed guides when I keep missing bass with a popper... I started calling them "fish guards". The "worm" type patterns work well and I have caught some bass with the patterns but I'm learning more toward a baitfish style. I have two boxes of the patterns meant to imitate plastic worms but they are difficult to cast from a pontoon boat. I think they would would better for me if I was casting from a boat. Stonefish, I know where your patterns would work great... and within the next couple of months. One of the lakes that hold the largest bass in the NW (maybe the entire West) is one that I have only fished once for bass. It is Davis Lake in Oregon. Most likely the LMB have grown so large because it is restricted to flyfishing only. The LMB were illegally introduced from Crane (were the bass were also illegally introduced) and wiped out a trophy trout fishery. I'm sure the bass guys would love to gain access to Davis with their bass boats, but many of us old fly guys will show up on the door step of the ODF&W HQ with pitch forks and torches if they try to remove the flyfishing only regulation. The damned bass are not supposed to be there and I don't care how large they've grown! So, if any of you who like to use the worm style patterns would like to catch huge LMB and kill them... and you can kill as many as you can. I will tell you exactly where to fish at Davis so you can catch 5 pound plus LMB... please do but you must kill the bass you catch. Use the large worm style patterns with a lot of weight. There is vegetation on the eastern side of the lake. There is a boat ramp at the north eastern end of Davis. Launch from that ramp. The LMB will be on their spawning beds. Cast the worm patterns into the open areas in the vegetation. Jig the patterns. Work along the weed beds while heading south. Once you find the spawning beds, you'll find the huge bass. They prefer the worm patterns. If I had a map, I'd post it with the exact locations... that is how much I hate the bass in Davis. Obviously, I like catching bass but not at the expense of a trophy trout fishery that once held large populations of steelhead size rainbow. The bass magazines have acknowledged the size of the bass in Davis so I'm sure there will be a push to remove the flyfishing only regulation. I'll be damned if I let that happen. I will not reward Johnny Bass Seed. So please, if you want to catch huge LMB and help rid the lake of the illegally introduced LMB, go to Davis the minute the hwy is open and free from snow. You'll need to drag the bass out of the weeds so heavy leader and tippets are required. Davis Lake is located on Century Drive in the Oregon Cascades outside of Bend.