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  1. TonyZ

    TonyZ Member

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    I was on a creek Today i have fished countless times and came into huge schools of fish I have never seen before. I hooked into several and they looked like an outline of a thin Kokanee while still in the water. All were around 5-6 inches long. Dark on top, almost black, with white belly and bright orange stripes on either side of their belly from the mouth all they way back to the Caudal fin. The scales were rough and sand papery and the mouth was closer to a carp than a trout.

    I saw thousands of these things throughout the day. Oh yah, caught my fare share of rainbows and cut bows too.

    What are they!?!? I googled like hell without success.
     
  2. Old Man

    Old Man Just an Old Man

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    I was fishing Pilchuck Creek one time many years ago I ran into the same thing as you did. I never found out what they were either. Good luck on your hunt. The ones I saw, they were skittish. I never did catch any of them.
     
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    Invasion of the Peamouth Chub!
     
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  4. TonyZ

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    Spot on... Amazing I have never come into contact with one in 20+ years of fishing this creek. Good to read they are native to this Columbia r trib.
     
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    Yes peamouth chubs on their spawning run; normally in late May through mid-June. The red/orange stripes are found on the males during breeding.

    Curt
     
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    Did it look like this?
    I'd never seen one before either, until I caught this guy on a Puget Sound stream a year or two ago.

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    msteudel Mark Steudel

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    Caught some of those on the Sammamish slough
     
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    used to get them all the time fishing juanita creek and bear creek as a kid - same thing, when they run in early summer. didn't know they were chubs at the time, just called them suckers. even though i hated them at the time, it brings back a lot of great primal fishing memories.
     
  9. TonyZ

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    exactly!
     
  10. Upton O

    Upton O Blind hog fisherman

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    I want to address the "dork" term, this is an excellent forum with an incredible pool of people, many of whom are experts in fish, fishing, fly fishing and a number of other areas. It is an incredible resource to find the answers to many things. I learned something from your question and hope you'll feel free to continue to throw your inquiries in the hat. There ain't no such thing as a stupid question unless you already know the answer and just want the attention.
     
  11. Jim Speaker

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    Looks like what my dad and I caught on the Cedar a long time ago when I was a kid... there was a massive school of them in the tail of a pool we were fishing.
     
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    tythetier Fish Slayer

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    I have caught one on the Cedar as well. One of only two fish I ever caught on that river.
    Agree with Upton, dont sweat it unless you are just being a D.A., which you were not in this post.
     
  13. Jack Devlin

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    Lets get working on some Peamouth Chub patterns.
    Jack
     
  14. Brian White

    Brian White Recovering Bugmeister

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    My first time out on the Cedar this year (opening weekend) I saw tons of those chub. they were podded up in several areas. Their orange stripe is pretty pronounced
     
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    freestoneangler Not to be confused with Freestone

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    Never seen or caught one of these. Are they like whitefish and will take conventional patterns on top and drowned?
     
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    I think it's a fluke to catch one. The ones I saw on the Pilchuck Creek all swam away when you waded close.
     
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    According to Walton, they are the most fearfullest of fishes.

    Here is an excerpt from The Compleat Angler, Chapter III "The Third Day" on fishing for the chavendar or chub:

    Piscator:
    Go to the same hole in which I caught my Chub, where,
    in most hot days, you will find a dozen or twenty Chevens
    floating near the top of the water. Get two or three
    grasshoppers, as you go over the meadow: and get secretly
    behind the tree, and stand as free from motion as
    is possible. Then put a grasshopper on your hook, and
    let your hook hang a quarter of a yard short of the
    water, to which end you must rest your rod on some
    bough of the tree. But it is likely the Chubs will sink
    down towards the bottom of the water, at the first
    shadow of your rod (for Chub is the fearfullest of fishes),
    and will do so if but a bird flies over him and makes the
    least shadow on the water; but they will presently rise
    up to the top again, and there lie soaring till some
    shadow affrights them again. I say, when they lie upon
    the top of the water, look out the best Chub, which
    you, setting yourself in a fit place, may very easily see,
    and move your rod, as softly as a snail moves, to that
    Chub you intend to catch; let your bait fall gently upon
    the water three or four inches before him, and he will
    infallibly take the bait. And you will be as sure to catch
    him; for he is one of the leather-mouthed fishes, of
    which a hook does scarce ever lose its hold;
    and therefore give him play enough before you offer to take him
    out of the water. Go your way presently; take my rod,
    and do as I bid you; and I will sit down and mend my
    tackling till you return back.

    ...

    Venator:
    But, master! what if I could not have found a
    grasshopper?

    ...

    Piscator:
    Then I may tell you, That a black snail, with
    his belly slit, to show his white, or a piece of soft cheese,
    will usually do as well. Nay, sometimes a worm, or any
    kind of fly, as the ant-fly, the flesh-fly, or wall-fly; or
    the dor or beetle which you may find under cow-dung;
    or a bob which you will find in the same place, and in
    time will be a beetle; it is a short white worm, like to
    and bigger than a gentle; or a cod-worm; or a caseworm;
    any of these will do very well to fish in such a
    manner.
     
  18. Fishee

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    They have crap loads of peamouths in Lake Washington, they come to shore to spawn, you can see them in shallow water only a feet or two.
     
  19. Brian White

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    Out of curiosity, do people smoke them/eat them, or ? Maybe the Cedar poachers would redirect their fish-killing tendencies away from the trout and toward these chubs. We could do an ad campaign "Chubs are incredibly delicious and a fine sporting fish, but are for C&R ONLY" - that kind of language excites the poacher.
     
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    Prior to the excerpt on catching them, Piscator describes to Venator the best way to dress and cook the Chavendar.

    :)
     

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