Montana Trip

Discussion in 'Fly Fishing Forum' started by The Surgeon, Jun 2, 2013.

  1. I'm planning on taking a guys only (a buddy and I) trip to montana leaving here September 15 and returning a week later. I'd like to do the driving in two days, one day there and one day back so that would give us 6 days of fishing.

    I've been looking at the Madison river, the big hole, the beaverhead and rock creek. I'm thinking the Madison is as far as I'd like to drive coming from Salem Oregon. I have a drift boat and am thinking of taking it, would it be worth it? Also is it better to try and make it to all those places or maybe only pick two places and spend a few days there? We will be tent camping. I'm kind of leaning towards doing a few days on the Madison and a few days at rock creek. Does anyone have any advice for floats on the Madison? Are they difficult floats? This is my first year on the sticks. Any advice would be welcome. Thanks!

    Casey
     
  2. I would for sure take a boat. Its Montana eobyou can just hitchhike back to the car instead of shuttling. I'll be in Montana also for that week. I don't know that river.... I plan on doing Clark fork, Missouri and rock creek for a week and a week on my home river, the Flathead
     
  3. You can't fish out of a boat or raft on Rock Creek after July 1. In most years you'd destroy a drift boat on The Creek in September. Also, the Rock Creek road closely resembles the lunar surface with trees on each side, so if your vehicle doesn't have decent ground clearance it won't be a pleasant journey.

    The Madison, Big Hole, and Beaverhead are in the same general vicinity, so you should be ok in managing your fishing time vs windshield time. Many anglers coming here for the first time try to hit every big name river and they spend more time driving than fishing.

    I guided one group of guys on the Missouri River one year. We had a great day and got off the river around 8 PM. They invited me and the other guide for a couple of beers and at 930 PM we were sitting in Issacs in Craig. They told me they were fishing the Bighorn the next day and planned to eat dinner in Billings.

    I looked at the other guide and we both busted out laughing.

    They all turned and looked at me.

    I said, "Billings will be closed up for the night. I'm not sure you could even get a Big Mac at 3 in the morning."

    Their looks turned in to forced smile grimaces.

    I then explained, "If you leave right now, drive 5 miles over the speed limit, don't stop for anything but gas, you won't be at your motel in Fort Smith until nearly 5 AM. The trip ahead of you is very close to the same as driving from LA to San Francisco."

    I guess they didn't consult google maps.

    Most people plan their trips better and figure out just what huge distances are in Montana, but many still try to cram a summer's worth of rivers into a week. That's a mistake unless you're just determined to mark certain rivers off your bucket list instead of really fishing them.

    Trapper
     
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  4. Fishing is stellar on Rock Creek in September, you could spend a week wading it and not hit all the good runs. Pressure is usually lower in September as many guys trade fly rods for archery equipment. I would definitely bring a boat. I would concentrate on either the Missoula or Dillon area, not both. If you concentrate on the Missoula area there are four rivers in close proximity, Clark Fork, Bitterroot, Blackfoot and Rock Creek. You should be fine floating the Clark Fork and the Blackfoot but you would have to wade Rock Creek for sure (no fishing from a boat after June 30, the creek is so skinny then you wouldn't want to take a hard boat) you would probably want to wade the Bitterroot as well as it's pretty skinny that time of year. If you wanted to concentrate on the Dillon area the Big Hole and Beaverhead are real close and the Madison is not that much of a drive. You could float the Madison and Big Hole fairly easily and wade the Beaverhead.
     
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  5. Take the boat and float the MO below Holter Dam for big bows and browns, you won't regret it

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  6. Both the Beaverhead and the Bighole both have restrictions for non-residents floating the river. Check the regs before you go. I cant quote them here. Its certain days of the week that are off limits or they only allow certain numbers of floaters out. Also, These are the only two rivers in your list that are close to each other.

    The Big Hole is one rocky SOB. Be prepared to ding your chine. I found lots of public access on the upper river. I only drove past the lower river. Public access for wading seems more limited in that section. However, the big fish tend to be in the lower river.

    The Beaverhead is a tailwater. Big Fish. Very small stream for a tailwater. Good public access for wading a bout a mile past the dam. After that I think its more limited as it passes through a lot of farms.

    As mentioned before, Rock Creek is closed to floating after July 1st. However, you dont need to float it as public wading access is pretty good.

    The more popular sections of the Madison are closed to fishing from boats. However, there is a ton of public wade fishing and long stretches that are open to floating. Its also a tailwater.

    The big problem that you are going to have is that this is a low snow year. Its doubtful that most of the rivers will be floatable by a hard sided boat in September. Most guides and Montana residents have rafts for this time of year. That way they can easily get out and drag the raft through the shallow water. There will be plenty of that this year.

    Check for closures before you go. Sometimes they will close rivers if the water temp gets too high. That will probably happen a bunch this September.

    I wouldn't take the hard sided boat unless you specifically know that the section of the river you are planning to fish is floatable with a hard sided boat at what ever water level the river happens to be at that week. Plenty of local fly shops that should be able to help out with that info.

    Wade fishing is probably your best option unless you have a raft. I would probably stick with one of the tailwaters if you want to be sure the river will not be closed due to high temps. You could even ditch the big name rivers and do some blue-lining. Plenty of that in MT.


    Cheers,

    John
     
  7. Also,

    The Madison and the Big Hole can be technical rivers to row depending on the section as both are pretty rocky. Of course, consulting local fly shops before you go is the way to avoid any serious problems.

    The Beaverhead wasnt all that hard to row for me. However, given its size and floating restrictions, I doubt you would want to stay there all week.

    If you really wanted to float a river, given that its your first year on the oars, I recommend the Missouri at Craig. There is probably 60 miles of easily floatable trout water below Holter dam. All of it contains massive amounts of hungry trout.

    John.
     
  8. Not to nit pick, but . . .

    Realistically, the town of Cascade (34 river miles from Holter Dam) is the end of line for trout fishing on this section of the Mo. The river warms and slows after that. A motorless drift boat or raft is not a good option downstream of Cascade.

    Great advice about the Beaverhead/Big Hole and Madison. I forgot about the non-res restrictions. And you are right on the money about Montana snowpack this year and the probable boney water conditions in September.

    Trapper
     
  9. Trapper is right. Dont fish below Cascade. I was totally guessing at the mileage.
     
  10. Fish the MO. Catch big browns. Go to Izaak's in Craig for a fine meal.
     
  11. Like everybody else said, Fish the Missouri and fish mulitple sections in the time your there. Don't stick to just the Dam to Craig float. Branch out and find what you like. The floats are different from one another and all good.

    I could literally spend a life time on the river.
     
  12. I like the MO idea until I found it on the map, that's a long f$#%ing way from salem. I was thinking the Madison was far, I'm guessing 16+ hours from salem. Tougher to do in a day.

    I'm worried about the water being to warm at the time i'm going this year, I was thinking I would be in the clear going mid September.

    Casey
     
  13. By the way the floating restrictions on the big hole, beaverhead and Madison end on Labor Day so I can float any day I want, already checked the regs, also I spent a week on rock creek so I know the floating situation.

    Casey
     

  14. 16 hour drive is alot in one go. Sleeping in your car will fix that. Plus you get Trout Bum Points for the one man automobile slumber party. If your concerned about the water, that makes the Mo' an even better idea since its a tail water and gets more consistent water flow and temperature then freestones. My contacts in Montana say there should be plenty of water all summer (speaking of Western Montana that is)
     
  15. Not that I care where you fish, and while I've never actually checked the miles from Salem to say, Ennis vs Salem to Craig, I would think they'd be about the same.

    It's never been easy to predict Montana weather or water conditions 3 or 4 months out. Since ~ 1998, it's been a complete crapshoot. But previous winter snowpack, as mentioned here, is a huge factor. Low snowpack, even with decent spring rains, mostly translate to early and long fire seasons, low and warm stream flows. Tailwaters often can moderate the effects, but they can't erase them.

    My best advice is this -- #1 - If you want to fish out of your drift boat this September in western Montana, head for the Mo or the Clark Fork. #2 - If you want to explore the Madison, Beaverhead/Big Hole, leave you drift boat at home and wade fish those rivers. #3 - Closely monitor stream flows and water temps on your target river(s) as you get closer to your date. #4 - Closely monitor the Montana Fish Wildlife and Parks site for river closures or restrictions. #5 - Closely monitor the wild fire situation.

    Trapper
     
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  16. Thanks for the advice, I think I was looking at the wrong place on the map, your right I believe that it is roughly the same distance as Ennis, from Salem that is. Is the fishing fairly easy on the MO? I'm not looking to get into any real techinical fishing.

    My buddy claims to be in but I don't know him real well so you never know. Could just be me going. Still worth it to bring the boat? Dragging the boat definetely adds to the cost.

    Casey
     
  17. I wouldn't consider the Mo "easy" fishing, but not as difficult as say The Henry's Fork or Chessman Canyon.

    Nymph fishing is pretty standard if you follow a few simple rules:
    -- Set the friggin' hook immediately. There are a lot of small insects on this relatively uniform moving water. These rainbows and browns in the 15" - 20" range aren't going to sip a #20 fly and take off across the river with it. They'll just suck it up, realize it's a fraud, and blow it back out. If you hesitate in your hook sets, you'll miss 95% of the trout takes.
    -- In September there'll be a lot of Pseudos and even some left over Tricos and midges. Keep at least one of your dual flies small.

    Dry fly fishing on the Mo requires some skill:
    -- Drag is evil. Micro drag, often invisible to the angler is also evil. Eliminate it or prepare to be frustrated.
    -- A good quarter down reach cast is your best friend.

    Pulling streamers:
    -- Most of the hook ups will come within 5 feet of the bank, but be prepared to break that rule of thumb often.
    -- Use a strip set instead of raising your rod tip. You'll be amazed at how many more hook ups you'll get.

    There's a LOT more I could write about fishing the Mo, but the above probably hits at least some of the highlights.

    Trapper
     
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  18. I fish Montana a couple times each year. Usually once in the spring and again around September or October.

    I just fished the MO this year and we drifted it in a NRS raft. We went from below Holter dam, down to Craig. This is a really easy float and there is nothing to worry about as far as being experienced with rowing. There are some BIG fish in that river and lots of them! I would strongly advise you to spend a few minutes at the fly shops in Craig, before you head out fishing. Those guys can set you straight on how to fish and what to use. Also there are some really reasonable accomodations in Craig, if you plan ahead. Much better than sleeping in a tent! Make sure you bring some food and such with you, as there is not much to choose from in Craig, when it comes to eating. I have never eaten at Izaaks, as it is only open part of the year, but have heard it is good food.

    I have also fished on the Clark Fork, Rock Creek, Bitteroot and the Big Hole. They are all good rivers and have their own ups and downs. Rock Creek is a small river, with lots of fish and plenty of area to spread out and fish. The road is rough, but if you are not driving 100 mph, it is not that bad. I have definitely been on worse roads over in Eastern Washington and in Oregon. You won't need a boat for Rock Creek and if you are worried about towing your driftboat all the way from Salem, you may consider renting one for a day or two from the shops in Craig. The saving in hassle and gas mileage may be worth it!

    The Bitteroot is a great river as well, but it does see a fair amount of pressure, despite being in Montana. There are lots of public fishing areas, but even with that, you will have to plan your time accordingly, and get there early, or guys will be fishing ahead of you. The boat and raft traffic can be crazy too. When we went in March, we spent the day battling 10-12 other rafts on the same stretch of river we were drifting! It was as bad, if not worse than the Yakima River, up here in Wa.

    As far as lodging, I would skip the tent camping and grab a motel. If you fish the Bitteroot, there are several towns, South of Missoula. Every town has a couple cheap motels, where you can spend a couple nights and have a hot shower and a bed each night. It is also good to spend some time visiting with the locals in the little bars in these towns. Darby is by far my favorite town! You can even get a bad-azz tattoo from the Irridesent Tattoo shop there in town. ha ha ha Seriously...the tattoo people have some skill there.

    Good luck with your trip. I am sure that wherever you end up going will be a great time and better than staying home and raking leaves or mowing the yard!
     
  19. Solitude, thanks for the advice. We are trying to cut cost whereever we can and an easy one is to camp rather than pay for a hotel/motel. With 6 nights even at only $50 a night thats $300 dollars. Probably more like $75 a night so that would be $450. Thats over half of the total cost I was previously thinking for the trip. Camping is about $6 a night so thats an obvious difference.

    I'll look into renting a DB. That might be cheaper than the added gas cost of driving it over there. I like the MO but a little scared of the size of the water and have been told its not that hard if you know where to fish but thats the challenge. I've started out fishing a relatevily big river here in Oregon (McKenzie) and haven't really figured it out yet so that discourages me a bit. For all that drving and hassel factor I'm looking to have some success.

    After looking at the MO hard I think I like my first ideas better but don't know how the weather temps (high temps and high water temps) will be that time of year. I think I'll have the MO in my back pocket as a back up plan. I was thinking that going in the middle of September would avoid the water temp issue but its sounds like thats not the case from the responses I've gotten.

    Casey
     
  20. Most of the State camp grounds here in Montana are free to camp. Just don't stay longer than 16 days at them. The private ones are the ones that cost you.
     
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