Tipping a guide...Keven I apologize for misspelling your name Keven. Your post #139 seems heartfelt and makes a lot of sense. In my initial, much longer draft of my post #129 I went into a lot more detail and one long explanation I edited out was that I am not objecting to any particular person, only commenting on the attitude of entitlement which is so obvious in this thread...despite all claims to the contrary. Nothing personal. There was no intention of a personal attack, and yet if you were upset enough to send me a venomous PM then I guess I hit a nerve. I suggest you go back to my posts, imagine we're sitting at a boat launch bullshitting after a long day's fishing, and read my posts out loud in a friendly tone of voice, because that's how they are intended. Let me clarify "talking out of one's ass". There seems to be a lot of emotional attachment here to a practice (tipping) which ultimately disempowers or subordinates the person receiving it. Yet because the recipient is getting money, it will be defended to the last and you'll even get upset about it in the process. I'm just asking you to take an objective look at that. Getting upset about it only proves my point further. I stand by my suggestion-be up front, ask for what you're worth and decline the tip for professional reasons. Empower yourself. If a client insists on paying more, tell him to donate the money to CCA or WSC. Then questions and 5-page threads about the issue will become moot. I'm out of this one. sorry, _G...guess I pissed on the hornet's nest.