Trivia Time

Discussion in 'Fly Tying' started by GAT, Apr 6, 2013.

  1. GAT Active Member

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    Okay... the Royal Coachman started out as a Coachman. Who made the modification to a Coachman and who gave it the name? Hint: this happened in 1878 (which ain't much of a hint).
  2. zen leecher aka bill w born to work, forced to fish

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    I humbly submit this as my answer to both questions. I'm just young enough to know how to do a search on yahoo/google.

    The Royal Coachman was first made in 1878 by John Haily, a professional fly-dresser living in New York City. In writing of other matters, he inclosed [sic] a sample of this fly for us to see, saying: "A gentleman wanted me to tie some Coachmen for him to take up into the north woods, and to make them extra strong, so I have tied them with a little band of silk in the middle, to prevent the peacock bodies from fraying out. I have also added a tail of the barred feathers of the wood-duck, and I think it makes a very handsome fly." A few evenings later, a circle of us were together "disputing the fly question," one of the party claiming that numbers were "quite as suitable to designate the flies as so many nonsensical names." The others did not agree with him, but he said: "What can you do? Here is a fly intended to be a Coachman, yet it is not the true Coachman; it is quite unlike it, and what can you call it?" Mr. L. C. Orvis, brother of Mr. Charles Orvis, who was present, said: "Oh, that is easy enough; call it the Royal Coachman, it is so finely dressed!" And this name in time came to be known and used by all who are familiar with the fly
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  3. GAT Active Member

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    Well crap, Bill. I guess that one was too easy.

    It didn't occur to me the information could be obtained with a search engine. I was relying on a book. Damned Internet :D
  4. Tim Cottage Formerly tbc1415

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    A book? You mean like with pages and everything? Sheeesh!

    TC
  5. GAT Active Member

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    Yeah... pages and everything. It's on the same shelf with my slide rule.
  6. zen leecher aka bill w born to work, forced to fish

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    Books??? I have books!!
  7. GAT Active Member

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    You should hide them. They've been outlawed. Amazon.com has taken over the government and is demanding all literature now be read with a Kindle.
  8. wichaka Active Member

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    For some odd reason, just find it hard to warm up to a kindle on a long winter night!
  9. Jack Devlin Active Member

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    I heard that there are places where large numbers of books are kept and one can "borrow" them. I think they call them Liberries.
    Jack;)
  10. zen leecher aka bill w born to work, forced to fish

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    There's free books available for download on Kindle also. I found a couple of old fly fishing books. Upside is free. Downside is the fly plates don't translate across and appear as jibberish.
  11. Tim Cottage Formerly tbc1415

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    L-i-t-e-r-a-t-u-r-e. Does that mean no pictures? I got an old fishin pole made by Shakespear. Does that count?

    Well, so much for the Trivia Time. It has spiralled into silliness. Sorry about that.

    TC
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  12. Jim Ficklin Genuine Montana Fossil

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    Name the classic trout pattern named after a professional sport position.
  13. Tim Cottage Formerly tbc1415

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    Halfback Nymph. A good stonefly pattern.

    TC
  14. Jim Ficklin Genuine Montana Fossil

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    That's one, but not the one I'm referencing. Think older wet fly pattern, like pre-1900.
  15. Tim Cottage Formerly tbc1415

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    Footballer - originated by Geoffrey Bucknall. Mentioned on page 148 in Nymph Fishing, A History of the Art and Practice by Terry Lawton.

    I admit I did use the index to find it. Is that still legal?

    TC
  16. Jim Ficklin Genuine Montana Fossil

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    Still not it. Think baseball . . .
  17. GAT Active Member

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    Good grief, it must be a fairly unknown pattern. I checked my patterns books and many of them mention flies from 1800s but I don't see any that includes the name of a baseball position -- unless it is a position in baseball I'm not aware of, which is possible.

    The only pro baseball positions I know are: catcher, pitcher, first base, second base, short stop, third base, left field, center field, right field, bat boy, manager, umpires.
  18. zen leecher aka bill w born to work, forced to fish

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    on deck, at bat, home team and visitors.
  19. GAT Active Member

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    Well... those aren't really playing positions but at this point I have no clue what the name of the pattern is.
  20. Tim Cottage Formerly tbc1415

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    How about a hint regarding the general location of its origination. Country or if in USA then Northeast, Midwest, West, PNW, etc.

    TC