Winter Lake 2

Discussion in 'Fly Swaps' started by Irafly, Nov 11, 2012.

  1. Gary Knowels Active Member

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    After some major issues with the postal service and not receiving a single piece of mail I finally got the flies! All I can say is wow. Fantastic ties, I clearly am not even close to the class of you all. Now the toughest part is figuring out which ones to throw first.

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  2. Patrick Gould Active Member

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    I tried my pattern out at RF and had success. I also tried Ira's, but after losing the first one I decided to keep the other for some spring lake fishing and not risk losing it.

    Jeff's streamer is almost to nice to fish. I'm going to have to save it for a situation where there is no chance of losing it.



    Thanks for the extra flies Gary. It's a great pattern, I can see fishing them in rivers and still water.
  3. Gary Knowels Active Member

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    No problem Patrick. I figured that if the quality wasn't quite there yet, at least I could provide some quantity.

    Ira, you may be interested in the variation: Balanced bead head six pack

    All of mine were tied on Allen W502 hooks in size 12. Most sources indicated that the original six pack was tied with only pheasant rump and copper wire. As I was taught and I like them better this way, tie in 6-8 of the longer pheasant tail fibers at the bend. Tie in fine copper wire then wrap pheasant tail forward to about the 80% mark and tie off. Spiral wrap the wire forward and tie off. Strip a pheasant rump feather of the fibers on one side, tie in by tip and wrap forward until all of the fibers have been laid down then tie off. Boom, done. Quick, easy, cheap, and effective.

    I fish them on intermediate and type 3 lines. Troll or cast and strip. I haven't hung them under and indicator, but I wouldn't be surprised if it work once in a while. I often pull a beaded leech pattern with the six pack as a dropper 20-24" behind that. Both the natural and yellow work for me. Sometimes I find no difference between the on that day/lake. In some lakes one color almost always out-fishes the other. They are said to be damselfly nymph imitations, but I fish them successfully year round, not just when damsel nymphs are present.

    I have had some success with the natural dead drifted and swung in rivers, especially when it is behind a heavier point fly (I think the weight gives it a little more action). I am told that the yellow version in larger sized (2-6) is a very effective lower river SRC fly, although I've never tested this theory out.

    Scott Chisholm (scottflycst) taught me how to tie this pattern at my request after he gave me some and I had a couple banner days with it. The pattern was invented as a Carey Special variant first tied by Karl Haufler. The name supposedly comes from the barter system. Karl was using it on a lake to great success while no one else was catching much at all. He then started trading that fly for 6-packs of beer and named it as such.
  4. zen leecher aka bill w born to work, forced to fish

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    Initially the six pack was the name of the payment. Since we got two from you it appears each of us owes you a half rack.
  5. Gary Knowels Active Member

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    No need for the payment, but PMs about the successes and failures of it would be nice. I also wouldn't be opposed to meeting on the water and you sharing a six pack of knowledge and tips for a new(ish) flyfisher that I am.
  6. zen leecher aka bill w born to work, forced to fish

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    I've fished the six pack off and on for years. It was written up years ago in Salmon, Trout, Steelheader in I think a Pat Trotter column. Anytime you want to fish Central WA... let me know.
  7. bakerite Active Member

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    That is a great link Gary! I just tied some buggers with that style when trying to catch some deep suspended trout at the end of the season over here. I'm going to really be studying indicator fishing as soon as the lakes thaw! The jig hooks look great to Ira. I agree that Jeff's steamer is a great looking tie I will be duplicating!
  8. troutpocket Active Member

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    That link gives a nice explanation for why jig-style versions of common stillwater patterns can be so effective. I've been experimenting with jig-style ties for 4-5 years but really started getting good results last year when Ira turned me on to the 60-degree bend hooks and slotted tungsten beads. Before, I was using "fly rod jig hooks" with micro leadheads but didn't like the quality or configuration of the hooks. Now I'm tying and fishing a variety of leech and nymph patterns (including the black nymph I did for the swap) and having really good success.
  9. Patrick Gould Active Member

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    I just found your nymph hiding under Mary's little packets. It looks nice, where are you getting your hooks and slotted beads?
  10. Jeff Dodd Active Member

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    I agree there are so many nice ties I received in this swap. I was in a panic Sunday thinking I lost one of the boxes many of the swap flies were in (Misplaced my entire Chironomid Box for 48 hours). I found it

    Thank you for the kind words on the streamer pattern. Anyone can tie it of course and the tutorial below will get your version looking better than mine. If the direct link to the pattern does not work, use the "Flybox" drop down menu and scroll down to Platte River Special. It's one of Charlie Craven's patterns.

    The one variation I did was wrap liquid lace, small, over the gold tinsel. I like the effect liquid lace does to the body and it's very durable as compared to tinsel on a bare hook.

    Drop down menu to: Platte River Special
    http://www.charliesflyboxinc.com/flybox/index.cfm

    http://www.uniqueflyfishing.com/

    direct link to fly didn't work... Unique Fly Fishing is the link to the liquid lace product.
  11. Irafly Active Member

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    I buy the slotted tungsten beads here:
    http://www.fishegear.com/servlet/the-912/TUNGSTEN-SLOTTED-FLY-TYING/Detail
    I haven't found a local shop that carries them yet.

    Avid Angler in Lake Forest Park now carries the Umpqua jig hooks but if that doesn't work for you try:
    http://www.bluequillangler.com/Prod...ph-Hook-Barbless-Up-Turned-Point#.UOhREKX5ZSX
    http://www.jsflyfishing.com/cgi-bin...4500/Umpqua-C400BL-Barbless-Jig-Fly-Hook.html
  12. Irafly Active Member

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    I played around with these patterns but in the end I didn't quite like the process of tying them so I developed my own horizontal patterns along the same idea only a bit easier to tie. The jig hook pattens do the same thing though and they are much easier to tie. The other pattern I developed though can be fished both as a trolling fly and as a balanced pattern.
  13. Nick Clayton Active Member

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    Just an FYI for anyone interested... I was in Avid Angler last week and I purchased both the Umpqua jig hooks as well as the slotted tungsten beads to go along with them.

    Nick



  14. Irafly Active Member

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    Alright, I have finally downloaded the swap photos. I'll be putting them into a gallery soon.
    Ron McNeal and Jeff Dodd like this.
  15. Irafly Active Member

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