NFR Any Ford diesel gurus here?

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  1. Ryan Higgins

    Ryan Higgins Active Member

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    The 6.0 has an issue with the EGR. It is quite common. Two of the three 6.0 owners I know have had it go out, the third deleted his before it did go out. There are options out their to delete it to avoid the issue. The 7.3 was a much better engine. Once the 6.0 is patched it is a very good engine.

    The Dodge 5.9 has its issues too. The stock lift pump is prone to failure which starves the injection pump causing it to fail. The lift pump should be replaced with a high flow aftermarket unit ($850 installed). The injection pump is $1000 alone, not including installation. Also the Autos in this years are sub par and should be upgraded if planning on doing any towing. I own one.

    The early Duramax are plagues with head gasket and injector failures. I knew a guy who replaced three sets of injectors each at 40k miles before dumping the rig. Plenty run just fine though.

    All of them have issues, pick your poison and be prepared.
     
  2. tightlines411

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    DanielOcean, well said and I agree with all you comments.

    I have owned a chevy duramax for the past five years. Really like the ride and comfort
    that it offers. When people ride in my truck, they always comment just how quiet it
    is for a diesel. Searching the forums, my year/model has feedback of head gasket
    problem at 100k. I have only 26k, we'll see.

    Buyer beware. Especially when buying a used unit, even with low miles doesn't
    necessarily mean high reliability. Maintenence and how it was driven(no power
    programmers) is key. If it were me, buying used, it would have to have an
    extended warranty that can be renewed. Without one, repairs can be very,
    very costly.
     
  3. Jerry Daschofsky

    Jerry Daschofsky Moderator Staff Member

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    Whatever the issue is, it's not the same with the engines used on an industrial scale (the actual International version, though they should be the same). We've sent truck after truck after truck over and over again and International can't figure it out. The clean out or change a few things and send them back. In a few thousand miles, they're malfunctioning again. I should preface by saying I put over 500,000 on a 7.3L International. That baby was a true machine. Gas mileage was about same as the 6L, but tons more towing power. Unfortunately, I couldn't tell you what the thing got on an empty load, since my old route my truck always went out super full, and came back super full. So ran max capacity most of the day (except the mid hours as truck was almost empty and before pickups). The 6L in my last package car had 3 (yes three) engines dropped in it at around the 300,000 mile mark. In fact one engine came straight from International, was installed and test run, and fell apart on them. Had to order another engine in (and if you want to count that, it actually had 4 engines put in).

    What I was told by our mechanics was that the 6L was designed to literally be run in buses/vans that were to be run nonstop all day. Not be shut off. Or so they were told by International. I know some who've had a great time with their 6L on a private level. BUT, they only use them to tow and NOT a main/daily driver. So isn't shut off and started a lot. I know we're slowing tossing out the diesels, and running back to gas. BUT that little 3L Mercedes is a MACHINE!!!! Great gas mileage and lots of power. I'm not sure how it'd compare to the half ton trucks coming out mile wise. Why? Because we're talking about a rig pulling over 15,000 #'s a day and still getting over 20mpg AND doing stop and go driving too WITH said heavy load. Only beef I have with the Mercedes (no, I'm not talking about Sprinters either, I'm talking about a Mercedes chassis with a Grumman body) is it's a tad slow on the take off. But WAY faster then my 6L International.

    I'd love to get a Cummins diesel in our rigs, but not sure what the hold up is. Only company we don't have engine wise. I've run about all the rest (including the Isuzu which I do believe is the duramaxx). Not sure why we can't get them. Maybe they won't just sell the chassis? No idea.
     
  4. Rick Todd

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    Ive-I looked at that engine and EPA rated 27 (in 4WD). As a long term diesel owner, I get tired and pissed off paying 20% more for fuel than unleaded regular. So if you compare cost per mile between the gas and diesel engines, it isn't a great advantage for the diesel, plus it is about $4000 more for the diesel, so the payout just isn't there! (plus the gas engine has more torque and horsepower.) Rick
     
  5. DanielOcean

    DanielOcean Steelhead Virgin

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    Diesel is a great advantage economically when you are using as it is designed. The main reason why diesel trucks are purchased is because people are wanting to tow with them. You are right in your statement for sure. However, when you get into towing statistics, diesel engines will shine economically over gasoline engines by far. LOL I remember when Ford came out with that V10. Gosh that was a bad choice.
     
  6. Jerry Daschofsky

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    Yup, if you're buying a towing rig they WAY outshine gas. My original "tow" rig at UPS was gas. While I towed, I was LUCKY to get 6MPG with the gas engine (with total weight of rig). With diesel, I'm getting in the 16mpg range.
     
  7. Ryan Higgins

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    I dont know about you, but my 5.9L has more torque stock than my dads Ford Triton V10 and I get 8+ MPG better in town. Diesels reign supreme in the torque department. Shoot, the new engines in the dodge are 800ft/lbs torque STOCK. Insane!
     
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    I have heard of stories of multiple returns with no fix, never experienced it myself. I just avoided that engine 100% when looking for a new rig. Not worth the headache for me.
     
  9. Jerry Daschofsky

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    Unfortunately for me (or fortunate) I don't pay for it. But they're bought under contract. Which is another headache all together. Why I've been begging for the Mercedes 3L at work.
     
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    I almost bought a used 6L Ford also Orangeradish. Now glad I didn't after watching 2 buddies spend tousands dealing with problems. One friend has a 2004 F250 6L and is on his 3rd engine.
     
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    I agree Ryan-and I have a Duramax 3500 crew cab dually for my 3800 lb camper. But, according to the Ram website, the new diesel (available only in the half ton) has 240 HP and 420 ft lbs of torque and rate it 27 mpg in 4WD crew Cab 6' 4" box. They rate it GVW 8900 lbs for towing. The Hemi has 395 HP and 410 ft lbs torque, 21 mpg in the same configuration. They rate it 10,300 GVW. So the Hemi only gives up 10 ft lbs of torque and WAY outshines in HP. My future travel trailer has a GVW of 9000 lbs. Right now, diesel in my neighborhood is around $4/gallon and regular is $3.30. Diesel is 28% more expensive. That means the Hemi is getting the same cost per mile as the diesel right now. (at 21 vs 27 mpg) I agree that there is nothing like a big diesel for pulling big trailers or campers and I plan to keep the Duramax for that, but a nice every day driver that has car-like comfort, but still pulls a 27' travel trailer, is very appealing! Rick
     
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    two words.......dodge Cummings 5.9 ...... well two word and some numbers
     
  13. orangeradish

    orangeradish 1/2 an Ira

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    Nice truck! Glad you pulled the trigger!
     
  15. Eric B

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    I have one assigned to me from my job with the same plant. I have had the turbo replaced and also both head gaskets. Our mechanic stated that the temperature sensor is in a location where you won't know you have trouble until it is too late. I jacked up both my heads and was blowing white smoke, never showed an increased temp nor had any idiot lights come on, or see anything on my gauges that would hint that I had a problem. Glad it was a company truck. pretty expensive to repair.

    Just my .2
    Eric