Bayley and McDowell closed

Discussion in 'Fly Fishing Forum' started by IveofIone, Oct 9, 2013.

  1. Mark Walker

    Mark Walker Active Member

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    "A man never stoops so low as when he stands up for public office."
    "Whenever a man has cast a longing eye on offices, a rottenness begins in his conduct."


    Thomas Jefferson
     
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  2. Tom Palmer

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    Back in '95 I was unable to hunt some of my favorite refuges as they were all closed during the Newt shutdown. The closing of federal property is not a new phenomenon during a shutdown.

    I know there are many who think "well since it's public property we should all have access."

    During the last shutdown there were many examples of trespassing, vandalism and destruction of public property. Many of the Neanderthals of the world think "well since the govt is shutdown there are no rules so we can do what we want!!!"

    The same idiots who do "smash and grabs" of our valuable fishing equipment in the parking lot don't disappear during a shutdown.

    These closures are for protection and hopefully we as fisherman can understand why this is important.
     
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  3. PT

    PT Physhicist

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    I can understand that this might be for protection of our resources but also understand it is about our government giving us the lube job (lube not used) to make us know just how important they really are. Our government hasn't earned anything other than my disdain for them and the power that we've allowed them to now possess. Power over any and all actions that a free people should not be putting in our governments hands.

    How many locked gates have you seen where trash is just dumped at the gate? How many times have you seen garbage dumped just inside a locked gate? Same. This won't change that. Dirtbags are going to be dirtbags no matter what the state of our government. The only people who are being penalized during this shutdown are people like you and me who would like access to areas but can't have it because the ruling class needs us to know who runs our lives. I can't see it any other way.
     
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  4. Dipnet

    Dipnet The wanted posters say Tim Hartman

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    Yeah, and if you're over here in my neck of the woods and want to go fish a lake or river or a enjoy a hiking trail in the Olympic National Park you'd better put your plans on hold:

    http://www.komonews.com/news/local/...for-visiting-Olympic-Natl-Park-227812301.html

    In the past, politically, I've always been right of center but the current major-party partisanship makes libertarianism look more attractive!!

    Hmmmm.......Ecotopia, anyone?

    Am I kidding?

    I'm not so sure anymore!!! :confused:
     
  5. Vladimir Steblina

    Vladimir Steblina Retired Forester...now fishing instead of working

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    Was it the boat launch at the campground?? All the National Forest roads are open around my cabin on the Wenatchee.

    Wonder if the COE lands on the Snake are closed as well?
     
  6. Old406Kid

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    The Little Pend Oreille Wildlife Refuge was/is closed to all activities as I understand. My friends called and spoke to the
    enforcement officer's wife for confirmation.
    Little Twin had the launch area barricaded being on National Forest land.
    Maybe some employees take it more seriously than others.
     
  7. jersey

    jersey livin' the dream

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    Cones and small barricades were placed up along Lassen Nat'l forest this weekend. A good deal of folks parked politely next to them and entered the creeks. Funny how no one needed to be protected from themselves and all folks you ran into were unbelievably polite. Refreshing!
     
  8. Jim Wallace

    Jim Wallace Smells like low tide.

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    Best fucking October weather I've ever seen, and the dumb teabagging fucks in the House of Reps are stealing our access to our National Parks. I will never forgive them. I hope they all drop dead!:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
    At least the surf has been decent. I can go surfing and work off my rage.
     
  9. Vladimir Steblina

    Vladimir Steblina Retired Forester...now fishing instead of working

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    No........ Department of Interior generally follows Presidential orders much more closely than other land management agencies. Also those Federal lands closer to urban areas are generally in the spotlight so they also follow the direction set by the President. In rural areas, it is much more lax since the political pressure is usually on the other side. That is another reason for not moving the National Forests to Interior. Except they are changing and becoming more and more like the "government" everyday.

    Was there are closure order on the cones at Little Twin? If the Colville campgrounds are under a concessionaire program many times the facilities are gated this time of year for liability and damage reasons. However, National Forest campgrounds are always open to walk in even if motorized use is closed.

    I would ask the law enforcement type on the Colville. They SHOULD be working!!

    Jim, the lack of funding is the result of a disagreement between the House, Senate and President. The closure order of public lands is strictly a Presidential decision. He can reverse it at any time by issuing an Executive Order opening the Department of Interior public lands to public entry.

    From the Missoulian: http://missoulian.com/news/local/u-s-forest-service-workers-head-home-national-forests-remain/article_7abbed24-2ab7-11e3-bba4-001a4bcf887a.html

    And also from the Missoulian on USF&W closures: http://missoulian.com/news/local/federal-lands-off-limits-to-montana-pheasant-hunters-during-shutdown/article_3a306122-320f-11e3-b49c-0019bb2963f4.html

    Here is the official word from the Lolo National Forest.....notice they do not mention land closures just recreation facility closures:

    Due to the lapse in agency funding, the sale of all types of permits (i.e., recreation, firewood, forest products, mineral materials for example) are suspended, recreation.gov reservations are suspended, and all federally owned recreation sites are closed. All offices are closed. These services will be available once funding is restored.
    Law enforcement, fire suppression, and other essential services will continue without interruption.
    This web site will remain available for public safety announcements and updates such as for wildfire, floods, and so forth. We will attempt to make timely updates about public health and safety on these web pages as appropriate. We sincerely regret this inconvenience.



    For general information on Forest Service shutdown procedures, please visithttp://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/contingency-plans/.

    Jim, there is your contact information in bold above.
     
  10. Mike

    Mike Active Member

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    Why should the executive open public lands? Considering the many others being hurt by lack of paychecks and financial support (there are some takers but many are truly in need), access to public lands should not rank very high. It just tells me how out of touch many people really are.


    Some people wanted the stupidity of a shut down and they got it. Now we get to live with it and not pick and choose our special little interests that should be exempt. That is what put us in this position in the first place.
     
  11. Vladimir Steblina

    Vladimir Steblina Retired Forester...now fishing instead of working

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    Access to public lands ranks REAL HIGH is parts of the west. It is the economy in many areas. It is why Utah and other states are paying to reopen National Parks.

    My ONLY point is that the President made the decision to close public lands. He is the ONLY one that can make the decision to open them to public entry. ALL the FEDERAL agencies, but two, work for the President. It is part of the Constitution.

    The rest of it is a political argument of who's right and who's wrong.
     
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  12. PT

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    You're right. Those are public lands and I will decide which part of this pathetic shutdown bothers me the most. Those lands aren't the Presidents, the politicians, etc. They're MINE! And it pisses me off that "they" don't see this. If we come out of this and continue bickering which party is "better", we will have learned nothing. If we come out of this and vote every one of them out of office, we'll at least be sending a message to the next group of politicians that it might be wise to start working for us.

    Which part of this shutdown should I let bother me?
     
  13. Old Man

    Old Man Just an Old Man

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    None of it. I'm retired, so what do I care. They can continue to beat their heads against the wall. I'm one of the little people. They don't give a shit about the little people. And us old people. They probably would wish we would all die off.
     
  14. Vladimir Steblina

    Vladimir Steblina Retired Forester...now fishing instead of working

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    [quote="Old Man, post: 878135, member: 492"I'm one of the little people. They don't give a shit about the little people. And us old people. They probably would wish we would all die off.[/quote]

    Hey, your lucky you are living in Montana.

    I went to the emergency room here and got some pain medication as part of the treatment. The Dr. refused to refill the pain prescription. AND he cited Washington's new pain medication law.

    So I called the Washington Health Commission to file a complaint against the Dr. Good luck and get a good lawyer, because pain medication treatment in Washington is considered "best practices".

    I got the distinct impression that as an "old" person having me in pain meant that I would die sooner. AND my death would help the "WAR on PRESCRIPTION DRUG ABUSE". You know opium in Washington state on the street is cheaper than pain reliever. This is in a state that legalized marijuana!!

    I think as old farts we need to stop the machine.....what do we care at this point?? Things are going to hell in a hand basket. Lets accelerate the process!! Vote to create as much CHAOS as possible!!

    It will provide entertainment in our "golden" years.
     
  15. Boomer51

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    Really??? Why? I'll tell you why. There's no right to a government job. There's no right to welfare and other benefits paid to others by those of us who work or assess off to pay for those who can't or won't. THERE IS A RIGHT FOR THE PUBLIC TO ACCESS PUBLIC LAND. THAT'S WHY. The fact that you question that right is why there's problems today in this country.

    Red in the face in Montana,

    Jim
     
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