Chinnok on the fly??? How to get it done

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  1. Rob Allen

    Rob Allen Active Member

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    Coho...

    If you do your research coho mite possibly be the easiest fish to catch on a fly rod.. yes it's much easier than trout fishing. If they are there you will catch them..

    HOWEVER! you have to do your research..

    1. you need fish that are fresh!
    2. you need fish of the stock
    3. you need fish that aren't getting ripped up by snaggers

    equipment
    9-10 foot rods in an 8 or 9 wt

    any properly functioning reel of appropriate size.

    the airflo streamer max is an awesome coho line what you need however is a sink tip line that casts well and is heavy enough for the water you fish..
    What makes the airflo line so nice is that it has a powerful taper that makes it very easy to cast.. it even roll and spey casts very well.. it has an intermediate head and a good running line all integrated with no loops.. What that means is that you can retrieve the fly all the way to your rod tip without any loops or bumps in the line. That's something you'll have trouble finding in a spey line.. and why single handers are better.

    15 lb maxima tippet works great. maybe a bit heavy but coho have teeth.

    flies anything bright or flashy when in doubt throw pink. but any bright color will work..

    most importantly is choosing a river the easiest way to choose a river is to find one known for coho chasing spinners.. if they chase spinners they'll chase your fly... if you show up on a river and everyone is using corkies there is a good chance you are on the wrong river or the right river but too high in the system for best results fish less than 10 miles above tide water.

    fish through the water quickly if the right fish are around you'll know soon enough..

    i wish i could tell people what rivers to go fish but I can't not on the internet anyway..
     
  2. Grayone

    Grayone Fishin' to the end, Oc.P

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    Fish for coho's, if by-catch fails for chinook....use "unicorn attractant"
     
  3. James Waggoner

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    Went to Alaska this past summer and took three spey rods. Out of about 10 fly fisherman, I was the only one using a spey rod for coho. The first couple of days they out fished me, since I'd never really seriously pursued salmon on the fly, only steelhead. After day three I had my tips and line dialed in, as well as my retrieve and was catching fish when others couldn't. When the wind was blowing them off the water I was still fishing. As far as stripping goes, the net results are still in my favor...they would cast about 40-60' and strip to about 15', I'd cast 80 - 100' and strip to the junction of my compact skagit and 15'tip about 38'. And since I was spey casting I was in the water fishing more of the time. On a Sandy size river, I'd say go with a short two hander, on a river the size of the Kalama a single handed rod would be an advantage...though I'd still use my switch and spey cast.

    Annually, I usually manage 2 or 3 trips to the Kalama for silvers. I'll usually catch three or four silvers a trip and foul hook a number of chinook...still waiting for my first fly caught king.

    Anyway, Rob sounds like I need to bribe you with an "Arrogant Bastard" or a few drams of a good spey side so you'll take me salmon fishing locally.

    James
     
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    if your fishing in the salt i have always done well with large baitfish patterns blue or green with a hint of purple. or a big squid. i have gotten both kings and coho on both.

    this is my dads Bead But Herring. has landed many ah fish. IMGP0404.JPG
     
  5. Rob Allen

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    There are supposed to be some fish around this fall.. last fall was a complete bust.. in about 10 trips my wife and i got a total of 6 coho all on spinners...

    the year before we probably caught 50 or 60 many of them on the fly.. Like i said if you see guys getting them on spinners you can get them on a fly just as easily...

    I have yet to get a chinook on the fly.. However I believe that I could.. I am new to chinook fishing but the last couple years i have got the bobber and eggs thing down.. I know a spot know i could limit out any time I wanted.. I believe that this spot could produce fish on the fly just as well..


    Here is the senario... This spot on the river is about a mile from the salt. The fish mill around in the lower end of the tide water then bold for this pool as the tide starts to drop. About an hour before low tide then begin to bite . as more and more fish move into the pool ( you can see them entering) they become more and more aggressive and the bite really picks up The guys fishing eggs routinely hook several fish within a couple hours, you really have to be doing something wrong to miss out entirely. the funny thing is though the water is 6-10 feet deep everyone's bobbers are set at about 3 feet. a guy with a boss could easily fish these fish with an intermediate line or maybe even a floating line. the only trick would be getting there soon enough to beat the rush of anglers ( easy to do) but tradition holds that this is a spot to fish bobber and eggs. If a few guys show up you would not have room to fly fish so you'd have to get your licks in early in the low tide..

    anyway so if i was to explore a new river for chinook I'd look into spots in tidewater. I'd keep an eye out for the first holding pool and hit it as the tide was dropping...
     
  6. Smalma

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    Chinook on the fly is certainly doable and in the right circumstances a lot of fun.

    A couple of qualifiers; first I am a single hand guy (do not spey fish at all) and secondly I consider fishing over the dark staging fish in the deep pools near the spawning grounds or the actively spawning fish as unethical and capturing such a fish is hardly much of an accomplish. They are inferior fish in every way and should left to completing their work for the next generation. I have not fished Alaska waters for Chinook with the fly, my observations are based here in the PNW on pressured fish (which like coho is a game changer).

    Rob -
    The tidal water example in last post is the classic Chinook situation and taking such fish on the fly is pretty straight forward and the fly can be surprising effect. If you can find room on the water to cast your fly among the gear guys (or on water with little effort) I have some recommendations that should send you well on the path to success with the Chinook. These recommendations are based on quite of a bit of experimentation over a number of years and several rivers and a pretty good numbers of fish landed.

    As with the float and egg crowd that period around low tide will be go time. Like those fishing with floats I found fishing above the fish very productive. Depending on the circumstances above the fish can be anywhere from mid-water column down to a couple feet off the bottom. Fishing above the fish will eliminate the snagging/flossing problem and you will be catching actively biting fish that will be chasing your fly down (can be exciting stuff!).

    Consistent success on Chinook in such situations is a much different than say chasing steelhead. Generally fishing on the swing is a poor options to fishing your fly with an active strip). It may be necessary to vary the length and frequency of the strip to match the mood much as with coho though rarely the super aggressive strip sometimes used for coho is necessary. I would say that fishing "streamer style" will out fish a passive swung fly 10 to 1. Generally found that full sinking or long sink tips (25 to 30 feet) the best. On most waters the ultra fast sinking rates are not needed (in fact may work against the angler). The idea is cast across and down, let the fly line sink to your target depth and then fish the fly back to the rod tip using 4 to 8 inch strips (a couple strips/second) as a starting point. You want to select your line (and/or strip rate) so that you can efficiently getting to the desired depth and being able to fish the fly back to the rod at that level.

    For flies I found that smaller than one would think is often much better than one would think. Most of my success has been with flies that were 1 1/2 to 2 inches long tied on 4s and 2s standard hooks (4s the common) though my largest fish came on a #8 black woolly worm (that inch long fly in the jaw of that beast looked out of place for sure!). Black can often be a very good color though the best color varies quite a bit river to river (and water conditions). Other good colors include flies that are burned orange, various shades of green (Kelly to dark olive to chartreuse) as well as some tans or grays. I usually do not use much for flash in my Chinook flies though having a few "flash" flies and other brighter patterns as back ups.

    In the situation you described once you work out the best pattern you should be able to achieve consistent success with the fly with multiple fish days not all that uncommon.

    Once one moves above tide water the fly angler still have consistent success with much the same game plan as in tide but it takes some scouting to find water where the Chinook are a reasonable game. I target periods when the fish are on the move and look for choke points where I can get my fly in front of the moving fish (the river pushes the traveling fish into shallower water that I can effectively fish). While such water can be hard to find the good news is that gear guys often avoid such spots though on larger rivers boat traffic can be an issue.

    Good luck
    Curt
     
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