Dave Scadden vs Watermaster

Discussion in 'Watercraft' started by Steezn290, Mar 12, 2013.

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Which Boat is better?

Poll closed Apr 23, 2013.
  1. Watermaster Kodiak

    62.9%
  2. Dave Scadden Rampage

    37.1%
  1. Freestone

    Freestone Not to be confused with freestoneangler

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    It's a Ford/Chevy thing. I trust well-made, urethane-bladdered, welded boats more than non-bladdered boats, especially glued ones. In general, they will outlive single-wall boats and are more easily field-repaired, but like I said, it's a Ford/Chevy thing...

    Oh, I also have a Watermaster but a Commander will probably replace it this year.
     
  2. Blue

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    WHAT???? I you are mistaken. Dave uses Urethane and Bladderless only (with Heart Valve material now) . In my opinion, bladderless is the wayy to go. Sand can not get in and no ZIPPERS. Outcast does outsource though.;)
     
  3. Evan Burck

    Evan Burck Fudge Dragon

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    Hmmm... I asked if the boat was PVC or eurethane, and was told PVC. But that's one of the only things I was told. Didn't get much more detail. I just wasn't impressed with how little he seemed to want to tell me about his boats when I was genuinely curious.
     
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    I've been running WM's since 2001 and love them. But the Outcast Commander looks sweet. If I were in the market, that'd be on my short list.
     
  5. Blue

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    I am pretty sure they are all PVC coated, including WM and definitely Outcast. He was referring to bladders which some of Scaddens are Urethane, but most are bladder less. Which means PVC plus Kevlar coating.
    I looked at the Navigator, but I prefer the Assault shape and width better. And I did have an Escalade many years ago that was basically the Commander. Like Freestone mentioned Chevy's and Ford.
     
  6. Steezn290

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    I just talked to Dave Scadden and Water Master. Both boats are PVC and blaterless. What really matters is the fabric used underneath. But they are both very similar in construction. Both have "welded seems" (glued). But why I think mariavia boats are so durable is because just heat and pressure to make the perfect weld. (just my opinion) Both boats have a life time warranty.

    Anyways the outcast is urthane coated nylon with seemless construction. But it does have an interior blatter. I stay away from blatter constrution. Because with my experience blatters shift around during movement and then you have to get it all lined up again to fill back up.

    So the question is still Scadden or Watermaster. haha
     
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    Urethane is the AIRE Bladder, not the coating. Outcast are PVC coated Nylon with some having Urethane bladders and some have Vinyl bladders:
    Here is the Commader
    BOAT SPECS

    Inflated Size: 46" x 10'
    Tube Diameter: 11"
    Fabric: 500 PVC/1000 PVC
    Material Weight: 30/32 oz/sq.yd.
    AireCell Material: urethane
    Seam Construction: Welded
    Warranty: 5

    Valve Type: (2)Summit II
    Weight: 35 lbs.
    Load Capacity: 500 lbs.
    Frame: none
    Anchor System: none
    Motor Mount: none
    Oar Type: 5' 2 piece
     
  8. Steezn290

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    Sorry that is what I meant. But because it has a bladder. I'm out. haha
     
  9. Steezn290

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    Not saying it isn't a good boat. It's all preference. That is what i'm seeing with northfork and watermaster. Construction similar. All preference. Which one will I like better? Who really knows. Just wanted some opinions and was hoping something would have helped me make a more educated decision. But I'll just go off how I feel! haha
     
  10. Mossyback

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    I have never rowed a Watermaster, and have but one single weekend under my belt in the Assault XX. I was a little skeptical of the boat and how it would handle, and being a somewhat novice on the sticks, I was generally just a little nervous about the whole affair. I was comfortable after about 30 seconds of beginning my float. No real crazy water, I floated Spruce Creek to Minnie P on the upper Hoh river. There is really just one significant drop above coon bar, and that was way more fun than I had expected it to be. Being able to simply stand up and fish/walk the boat down river was handy. I didn't purchase the anchor system, and I don't plan to. It is too easy to simply get shallow, stand up, and then pick boat up to place on shore. I really don't have anything bad to say about the boat. Scadden customer service, well, they don't manage inventory very well and people do wait for certain items. I'm waiting for upgraded oars right now. Otherwise, they do offer lifetime warranty and I don't have any reason to think they would not stand behind their products. I agree that this is a very subjective topic, and you will tend to hear that people like what they have. WM and NFO are both good boats based on my research prior to committing on the Assault. The rocker on the NFO boat was a strong selling point for me. The rockers just pass the eyeball test better for me as far as what a river runner should look like. Again, not having test driven a WM I can't tell you how much of a difference the rockers really make. Just my $.02, which ain't worth much.
     
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  11. PT

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    Might be worth a call into Sotar just to ask if they build a similar boat.... They do plenty of custom work.
     
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    I'm guessing NFO has sold quite a few more boats than WM. So, you'll probably get more responses from people saying they like NFO over BigSkyInflatables. I could come on here and tell you my boat is better than so and so's boat but that is too subjective. Kind of like which truck or 5 wt is best.

    If you want to borrow my Kodiak, lemme know.
     
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  13. Rob Ast

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    PT, while this statement may be true I think most people purchase the one man boats as primarily a day fishing craft. If I have 250 pounds worth of me and my gear in the boat that would be about the maximum I could see carrying -primarily because of the limited space in which to haul gear. I think anyone would have difficulty loading either one of these boats near to its load capacity. I would however like to see the 90lb dog along on a float.
     
  14. Steezn290

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    Thanks PT. I'm probably going to head over to the manufacturer and test one out next week. Has anyone ever traded in a drift boat or raft to get one of these? Or have both and Have you been disappointed?
     
  15. PT

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    I'd rather not comment on which boats were bought and sold to make room for a different boat. Pretty sure it hasn't been a net $ gain. Going down a different boat path isn't a lifelong decision, either. Give it a try and enjoy it. Down the road you can tweak your arsenal based on the experience gained.

    I think you'd have a kick ass time fishing out of a WM. Opens up a bunch of new water, most of which you can now fish because you won't be on the sticks.
     
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