Discussion in 'Fly Fishing Forum' started by kmudgn, Apr 13, 2014.
Should I start sharpening my hay fork, Bill?
Yeah but... who's the doctor and who's the monster? Is the evil doctor the nympher, streamer chucker, or [insert gasp here] dirty scudder. Is the monster bead fishermen?
What does it all mean for us that like to chase lowly warm water species with fly rods. Am I not fly fishing because I'm using a popper I made out of a recycled wine cork and hackles? Spun deer hair mice might count as a giant dry I guess, so maybe I'm a fly fishermen after all. Whew! My identity was at stake for a moment.
Ahhh shit! I just remembered I love to fish for carp with a flyrod. Any esteem I had with the purists just went out the window. They'll be coming to burn me at the stake any day now.
Disclaimer: This is 100% satirical. Not to be taken seriously, like this whole thread.
I'll still respect you in the morning, Trip. I've even tagged a catfish or two while using a fly rod. And carp fishing? That's way up on my fun things to do with a fly rod list! Hell, the Kids used to dangle flies in front of bull frogs when they were wee little (unfortunately, they didn't catch the fly fishing disease, tho so my nephews stand to inherit a lot of fly gear & I'll chuckle knowing they have to swap all the reels to right hand cast/left hand retrieve, lol,).
how does fishing for non-traditional fish species equate to fishing gear fishing techniques with fly gear? seems like a stretch since much of the progression in gear and flies has come from non-trout fisheries as new challenges arise to catch fish like carp, tarpon, bonefish, dolphin, etc. while fly fishing. sometimes those efforts do cross the line imo (spoon flies, gummy minnows) but side drifting beads from a boat or bucktailing has nothing to do with progression or challenge. i will concur that nymphing while wading or stationary is more complicated than it might seem and isn't the same as side drifting the same tackle from a boat.
it isn't always about catching more fish, as there are times when fly fishing will catch more fish than the gear fishing methods.
ps, i hate that zen/art bullshit argument as much as anyone.
i'm starting to hate these threads and i'm a definitionalist
Personally I don't give a rats ass what other people think is fly fishing and I have the same opinion of how they think of the methods that I use. As long as I am considerate of others on the water and considerate of the resource then I am content.
"He who speaks does not know, he who knows does not speak" ~Lao Tzu
I know, I already screwed that up real good, but it came to mind and seemed apt.
After living in Billings for a period of my life, the Bighorn River was my home water. I worked one summer at a guide shop in Ft. Smith, became acquainted with all the guides in the area and today call many of them my personal friends. I have fished this river in every season, floated every great strech of water it has to offer and have taken advantage of presenting dry flies during its legendary beatis, black caddis, trico and PMD hatches and in the fall with hoppers. The subtle take on a dry fly provides me no more or less of an experience as seeing my indicator stop or feeling the hard tug on a streamer. I never limited my fly fishing experience to only fishing dry flies, nymphs or streamers but had three rods rigged in the boat so that I could optimize my time out on the water and utilize the best presentation at that moment.
I once asked one of my guide friends when we were fishing, what client in his mind stood out the most to him. He has been guiding on this river for a very long time so I was fully expecting his answer to be a famous athlete, musician or actor. He told me many horror stories about a few but his best client was an ex special forces Marine that lost his left arm and leg due to his combat incident in Iraq. His prosthetic arm didn't allow him to be able to double haul that well or manage line, but his working hand gave him the ability to roll cast his indicator and flies and partake in the sport of fly fishing. The guide worked very hard for this client and after a very successful day of fishing and cherished memories, he confessed that that trip was one of best days he had ever experienced. He still comes back each year and continues to enjoy each outing as if it was his first trip.
What is very sad to me and everyone else is that you don't need to feel sorry for me or the vet that spent his day staring at a piece of plastic on the BigHorn River. You need to feel sorry for yourself that your pious and indignant rationalization of what fly fishing is vs what it is not, would allow you to pass judgement on someone that almost lost his life to protect your freedom to fish the very river that he enjoys each summer.
Yes, I will never understand your meaning of "Zen" when it comes to fly fishing but I also never wear pink Simms yoga pants under my waders....
It is all fishing. I do not care what technique you use. Are you having fun? I have used them all at one time or another and will continue to do so. I am a fly fisherman, a gear fisherman, a bass guy, deep sea fisherman...... I just love fishing. If you cast dispersion one form or technique that is on you. I get so tired of my brothers in fly fishing looking down their collective nose at others who fish differently than they do. We are losing so much of our common resource that we need to not be so petty. If you do not practice a particular technique don't crap on others. Look out to the broader fishing landscape and realize that they are all part of our community. We fly fish for many reasons, but remember that most of us started fishing with a different technique and we would not have come to fly fishing without that first step.
Think first, Speak (write) Second. Advice from my old man....I realize that he was right...
I cast scum frogs with a fly rod. Does that make me a scum bag or revolutionary !!
I would have to say you would have to be a independent minded thinker and possibly a fishing intervator,it is likely that somebody else has cast a scum frog before so I would doubt your a revolutionary but it is a possibility as I have never researched the history of scum frog casting as a fly fishing art form.
Excuse me. I should have said "indicator rig" with a bead. I don't use a bobber unless, in the very rare occasion, I might be drift fishing from a boat, with a gear rod. That too, has been years ago. I don't gear fish, often.
How about planter trout in Arizona lakes? Size 12 scud hook, two wraps of brown chenille, two hook rig,throw a hand full of small rocks out about thirty feet from shore then throw the dog food flies into the middle of the rock splashes. Does this qualify as fly fishing?
What is fly fishing?
It all comes down to something like what the late US Supreme Court Justice Stewart said about pornography "I know it when I see it" For me, I have seen (and done) bobber fishing. Using Justice Stewart's definition, it aint fly fishing!
Cool. And living in New Hampshire, I'm sure you're an expert on Washington's fisheries. Thanks for bringing us your infinite wisdom. You must know an awful lot about our fishing out here to try and shit all over us and tell us your ways are better than ours. I invite you to come out to any given WA river and cast dries upstream all day and see what kind of results you get.