Help me improve my roll cast

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  1. Salmo_g

    Salmo_g Active Member

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    Mike,

    Some good suggestions above. The D loop formed behind the rod really matters - more D loop, less force required to roll out the cast; less D loop, more force required. The single haul that Rob mentioned also helps a lot. And a flexible rod usually roll casts more easily than a stiff rod, but you're casting cane, so you got that covered. Oh, one more thing, aim the cast forward and above your target; don't slap the rod tip toward the ground/water.

    I found that my roll casting improved when I began learning about Spey casting.

    Sg
     
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  2. Mike Monsos

    Mike Monsos AKA flyman219

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    Thanks again to all in the WFF village, I figure with all this coaching I should be able to improve my feeble roll cast. As usual you are all more than willing to help out in any way.

    Jesse,

    A big thank you for the detailed casting lesson spelled out, I'd like to do the casting clinic but that just isn't in the cards now. I could not only use the demo help but the weather report sounds great also.

    "OTOH it sounds like if your in a floating device you should be doing a Belgian Cast or a Modified Switch cast"

    I'll look these up as I'm not familiar with these casts, these could be a option for casting from the Water Master.

    Mike
     
  3. Don Freeman

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    Rio does in fact make a line designed to cast an indicator. Cryptically named "Indicator Line" they make a dramatic difference. Combined with the advice you've been given above, you maybe on your way to improvement. A longer rod does help though, and roll casting only works well on water, so don't frustrate yourself on the lawn.

    Sponsor shops on this site offer the Indicator line.
     
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    Pat Lat Mad Flyentist

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    You can also add a floating clear poly leader for the section above the indicator.
    It will really improve the turnover transition from flyline to indi. Its essentially a straight leader that has a clear polyurethane coating so that it acts more like floating line when you are casting. Long leaders are always hard to control, its worth the 15bucks to try
     
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    I agree with the D loop mentioned above. I use a shooting head on my six weight and it lets me roll cast as far as I need to.
     
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    Along the lines of what Pat is saying here, make sure your long leader is close to the surface. (pretty sure JesseJames is doing this with his double cast) You can do this by wiggling it up from the depths, where it is basically on the surface. I also like to finish with momentum upward, for instance if two o'clock is behind you, finish up hard toward ten o'clock to ensure all the line is pulled up nicely, before following thru to nine or so, and don't discount the advice on the haul. If all else fails, look for a 20 knot wind coming from your stern.
     
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    Mike Monsos AKA flyman219

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    Well with all the tips and coaching I have received I think I may just be able to get a long leader and an indicator out more than 20’ with a little luck (and maybe a tailwind).

    Here is what I ended up doing to gain some distance. First off I uplined my rod (7’6” Dickerson 7613) from a 5DT to a WF6 line (I didn’t have a DT6 to try, maybe some time in the future). I also cast more of a Belgian cast like Jesse suggested (I had to look that one up) and lowered my casting stroke a bit to the side. I also introduced a bit of a haul at about the top of the arch on the forward stroke.

    On the grass in the front yard things look promising, we'll see how I do this weekend with the 20’ leader, indicator and chironomid rig.

    Thanks again for all the help!

    Mike
     
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    I agree. Poly leaders are way underused in my opinion, both the floating and sinking variety.
     
  9. phblues

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    This is a great video to watch for roll casting.

     
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    Practice on the water.
     
  11. sroffe

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    I bought a "Indicator Line" by Rio. Designed for nymphing, but, seems to work well for still water bobber fishing.
     
  12. Steve Unwin

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    I bought one too, mainly for stillwater indicator fishing. Makes it super easy to cast a long leader with indicator. Not entirely necessary but I got it for a good price and didn't regret it.
     
  13. Tom Bowden

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    Mike,

    For small stream roll-casting situations, the 7' "Sir-D" taper works well. Wayne Cattanach told me he built a "hinge" into the butt section of the taper to help accelerate the line. Much of the fishing they do in Michigan is on smaller rivers where roll casting is the only option. Those guys are real pros at roll casting.

    I fish with chironomids under indicators a lot. I use my 9' rods for this, as they have more leverage for casting the heavy rig, and for setting the hook on strikes. I recently bought a Rio Indicator line, which is a big improvement for both roll casting and overhead casting. The extra weight at the end of the line really shoots the bobber out there.

    A friend who fishes with me on a local lake has recently been using a 7' 4-wt bamboo rod (of unknown origin) for indicator fishing 12' deep, and doing well. His trick is to use a short line, i.e. the indicator is only 10-20' from his boat. If you're fishing deep, you don't really need a long cast in most situations.

    Tom
     
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  14. Mike Monsos

    Mike Monsos AKA flyman219

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    Thanks Tom for the tip and the taper you sent me. I had forgot that you have spend a lot of time watching the indicator also. We can talk more about tapers at The Corbett Lake Bamboo gathering later this year. I'll look up some of Wayne's longer 8-9' rod tapers to see what looks like a winner with a hinge.

    Mike