Help support Fish Not Gold eliminate the damage caused by Hobby Miners to our streams

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  1. Brian White

    Brian White Recovering Bugmeister

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    Kent, your posts on this thread are rational, logical and well thought out. You plainly have no place discussing politics in the USA of 2014. Don't you know civil, fact-based discourse is on life support? Come on man - much more sizzle, much less steak is the name of the game!
     
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    You really want to eliminate hobby mining from our streams? I've never even seen a dredge in operation and you're claiming this petty amount of activity is hurting fish?

    You're completely bonkers!

    This rides right up there with a gentleman who told me that powerboats create a huge bank erosion problem on the Skykomish River.

    There is no turning inward and looking at thyself before chastising others anymore. Flyfisherman and Fisherman in general damage the fish and fish habitat way more than any of the petty dredging in this state.

    Whatever impact it has on fish (probably none) is worth the economic benefits. Just because an activity stirs up the river bottom, doesn't mean it's harming fish. I bet the dredge stirs up nutrients in the sediment and actually helps rear small fish.
     
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    Hey Checkthisout, everything would be fine if the mini-suction dredgers had to pay for their gold before they found it, just like the fisherman has to pay for his fish before he hooks it.

    It's just one interest group hating another because they think they've ID'd an inequity.
     
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    Take a look at what outdoor writer Ted Williams has to say:

    http://www.hcn.org/wotr/suckers-for-gold-recreational-dredgers-can-wreck-stream-beds

    And that is the point, with so little gold, the miners hammer the heck out of fragile headwater streams. Seriously, if you haven't ever seen this, spend a weekend in July up in Blewett Pass. Or the Similkameen, or along Ruby, Bonita, Slate in the North Cascades. Or the Sultan. You'll be surprised.

    Kim
     
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    Even after stating having never seen a dredge in operation you say it is a petty amount? This is the best statement of the entire thread. Amazing. By the way I have operated a power dredge before and there is nothing "petty" about them.
     
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    So you're a former hobby miner turned anti-dredging advocate?

    Interesting.

    What would make this more interesting are pictures of current mining operations (no cheating, they have to be in Washington) and the absolute destruction of fish they have caused.

    You know, pictures of salmon stuck in suction hoses, little smolts fighting for their lives against the current of the intake, little busted open bits of egg sack.
     
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    Nope, not a hobby miner.

    Do you really believe that the damage caused by dredging is actually sucking up fish? Really? Wow.
     
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    I have lots of pictures of habitat destruction caused by hobby miners. It's not just about individual fish, but about the habitat. In addition to the dredging, many hobby miners, as we have said repeatedly, "occupy" (their word, not mine) their mining sites. These are undeveloped (primitive) camping sites right along rivers and streams. The miners occupy them for weeks at a time (in fact, last August, I witnessed a group of miners from a mining club in central Washington, stay at a site for over 3 weeks). No bathroom facilities, no garbage, etc. Along a small headwater stream. The miners did leave an "improvement," however:
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    Hi Kim,

    For some reason not able to view the image (pic) you posted.
     
  11. Derek Young

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    Picture is there. Nothing dumber than leaving waste behind on the water with your name on it.
     
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    We sucked up a bunch of brook trout dredging on the upper Yakima last season. Besides that I haven't seen any dead trout.
     
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    I was up above the town of liberty gold panning this last weekend, My mining activity seemed less harmful than the campers washing thier dishes in the creek or the hoards of offroaders that were driving across the creek in every type of big tired vehicle know to man. Hate to see people trying to outlaw somebody elses form of recreation as maybe fishing is the next on the agenda..
     
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    Now that you've identified the reasons why disrupting habitat isn't good for fisheries...are you going to continue thinking that your activity is less worse than other's therefore justifying it? What kind of logic is that?
     
  15. Dustin Bootz

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    Sucking up the river bottom is good for fish, it makes more habitat. "Fishing holes" not fishing sandbars.
     
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