High vs low end rods these days... Is the gap narrowing?

Discussion in 'Fly Fishing Forum' started by Codioos, Jul 8, 2014.

  1. stilly stalker

    stilly stalker Tuna sniffer

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    Ive never had the chance to cast a Greys- price point is competitive with the Sage Motive or the Beulah blue water- have you cast either of those and how does it compare?
     
  2. Old Man

    Old Man Just an Old Man

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    I understand casting long distances is fun. But how do you control the fly you have out there 90 feet. That's a lot of fly line to play with. Then if you add the leader it's 100 feet.
     
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  3. Codioos

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    Add conflicting currents to that. No offence, but what good does casting 70-90' matter unless you're on still water? Pretty sure that why I own a two hander and save my shoulders.
     
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    Fishing Puget Sound and being able to squeeze out 60-70 feet on a good day has left me frustrated that there were fish 20 feet out of range, but usually 60 feet will get the job done. So if the beach is your primary fishery, it very well could be extremely important to you. I've never done it, but from what I hear it is important in fisheries like bonefish, tarpon, permit, corbina, etc
     
  5. stilly stalker

    stilly stalker Tuna sniffer

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    for me, if Im not sight casting most of my casting is 80+ feet out into the surf. That extra distance makes ALL THE DIFFERENCE if the trough or beach structure youre trying to reach is beyond your casting range.

    Also, being able to cast further means that your control is better, so you should theoretically be able to cast much more accurately at 70 feet.

    Still water fishing I often cast 90feet+ well ahead of cruising carp so I can det up my presentation better.

    River fishing with a single hand I still usually dont cast more than 70feet, but I can mend with a single hand well, so I sometimes do cast further
     
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    My wife ordered me a spey rod from a fella named Jon blanco (blanco custom rods) out of Salem oregon at a bargain price. I fished dollies up north on the opener with bill herzog and he was very impressed. Mine is the 12' 7wt. Model and cast beautifully for a short spey, I have no problems hitting 75-80 ft. Into the wind with a snap t. And the same on the opposite side with a double spey. A custom stick at a bargain price. He will continue to get this beginners money.
     
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    Codioos,

    You appear to have a lot of angst about these fly rods and price points. Try this: buy from the used market a couple Fenwicks, an FF75 6 wt and an FF85 8 wt. They will cover all your freshwater fishing except chinook salmon. They used to sell for $35 -$75, depending on inflationary year. Many, many anglers had the equivalent of those two fiberglass rods - and those are very good rods from their day - and enjoyed fishing trout and other species in rivers and lakes without ever feeling like they spent too much or spent too little. Rich and poor fishermen alike used those rods, never feeling the need for something better. Some people with the extra money sprang for bamboo rods, for the coolness factor and the joy of casting them, but not because they were foolish enough to believe they were better than their modern fiberglass cousins.

    Use those two glass rods for 100% of your fishing for two full years, or until your angst has vanished and you reach a Zen-like state and decide to just buy rods that you can afford and that are a good match for your casting style and stroke. Go find another mole hill to make a mountain out of.

    Sincerely,

    Sg
     
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  8. Codioos

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    Like I said before, I'm not trying to throw anyone's pride and joy manufacturer under the bus. Really I'm just questioning myself and my own logic and to bring it to light. Sometimes writing it out helps me to brainstorm and come to a conclusion I otherwise may have missed.

    I was ranting, yes. But it's not really about the price. It's the gap between modern day fly rods. Components, cork, metals, fancy wood inlay, hybrid graphite, etc seems to cloud the market. Not all rods are equal, I agree 100%. The issue isn't what I can/can't afford. What if I told you I purchased my B3x for $190 brand new with a warranty? I've owned a slug of green sticks and felt cool bragging about it; the green stick cult. I don't feel indiffent yet I can't help feel like I'm better than the guy with a $20 rod. And that isn't cool, koolaid.

    I love my B3x, and I have since the day I first picked it up. That's not the issue. But I also love my cheap CT or the old 8' Shakespear that I started with but smashed into pieces on a rock. The very first rod I fly fished with was a beat up hand-me-down Eagle Claw spinning rod that I flailed around to present a PT bead-head to a Crappie on mono line. And I'd never heard of fly fishing.

    I'm not looking for any special answer here. The purpose of this thread was to discuss the reasons we go the extra mile and why. Why? It's the same reason there are different makes and models of automobiles and bikes and pizzas and.... It's an invitation to join me in my fray.
     
  9. little rod

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    I read an article on a 5 wt shootout a few years back and a very inexpensive rod rated very high. I bought it and I will compare it with the Sage ONE any day, as my friend has one and I have thrown it quite a bit. ...and yes it will throw all the line which when you're fishing the upper Columbia from the bank comes in very handy and all your friends can't make that cast. They sit down and you are catching fish, big fish.
     
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    Is a $100 bottle of wine 10x better than a $10 bottle?
    Is a $600 room at a 5 star hotel 6x better than a $100 room at the Best Western?
    Is a $100,000 Range Rover 4x better than a $25,000 Subaru Outback?
    Is a $800 Winston B3x 8x better than a $100 Redington CT?

    The wine will still give you a buzz. The hotel room will still give you a bed to sleep in. The car will still get you to the river. The rod will still catch fish. The more expensive option is not always better, but some people believe the difference it makes in their experience is worth the higher price. But it also depends on your means and where you are in life. If you feel guilty fishing an $800 rod, you probably shouldn't be buying one.
     
  11. Kyle Smith

    Kyle Smith DBA BozoKlown406

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    Honestly how often do you guys think about your fly rod while using it? If I am thinking about it, there is probably something wrong with it, and I'm going to sell it.
     
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  12. golfman44

    golfman44 4-Time Puget Sound Steelhead Guide of the Year

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    I'm no expert at fishing so I can't comment with much authority on it, but on the golf front I have a set of irons that consistently saves me shots but cost 3-4x as much as ones off the shelf. The equipment alone has turned rounds of 72/71 into 69/68s multiple times. Yes I can still break par with other clubs but that's not the point. I simply can't make the same shots with some other sticks. To me, this difference alone is worth the price jump. I'm sure fishing equipment is quite similar.

    Yes you'll run into that jealous dude who will treat you poorly for your nice shit, but fuck him anyways. That being said, the Douche with a Ferrari who looks down on Porsche drivers because their car is 'inferior' is just as bad, if not worse.

    If you can afford it and it makes you happy, buy it. In the end, that super nice gear will still be catching you fish in 40 years. Not a bad investment
     
  13. Mark Kulikov

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    Never. I've got an old Orvis HLS 4wt and a rocky mountain 6wt and they are all I've fished for years. New high end rods are much like cell phones in my opinion. Outdated, obsolete in 8 months, gotta have the new, improved, Bla Bla Bla.

    Sent from my little square phone thingy...
     
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  14. bennysbuddy

    bennysbuddy the sultan of swing

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    It's all about prioritys at least it is for me,when it comes to trucks & sporting gear. I buy the best I can at the time and then use it with respect for 15 years or so. That's why I'm still fishing sage brownie Spey rods & driveing a 2001 Toyota stump jumper. My weakness is vintage fly reels & I have way more than I need, but I like them & can afford to have & enjoy them. Therefore I maintain you should buy the stuff that will make you happy & that you will still be enjoying in twenty years ,it far cheaper in the long run than discarding stuff to keep up with the current trends.
     
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  15. Jeremy Floyd

    Jeremy Floyd fly fishing my way through life

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    Most rods are just about the same. There is some amazing technology that is available, if you wanted it, that allows you to put the power all the way to the tip of the rod like nothing else you have used. Wait til you get a hold of some of the the new nanotube technology, that you can't physically collapse the tip (as a human) powering into a rod.
     
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