Bass_Turds, If you want to learn to speycast get an old DT line of the same designation as your rod, or maybe one weight heavier. Concentrate on single and double spey casts only. Don't expect to shoot line, just cast what you have out the tip and go fishing. You'll be able to cover at least 60' with minimal casting skill. The more you cast it the more you'll feel how it works. Skagit lines are the worst line to learn spey casting because everything is the same, strip to head loop and cast...and get locked into it. The DT will teach you if you let it, better than any speycasting instructor could!! I'll send you a line free of charge, just tell me about your rod. This Skagit line stuff is way over-rated and not a good way to learn to spey cast.