Interesting clip on wolf impact...

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  1. Mark Walker

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    Interesting. Thanks, Mark. Now, duck and get out the popcorn.
     
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    Restoring natures balance...imagine that. BTW, I'm not sure they know an elk from a deer...:rolleyes:

    I'm in...
     
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    Let's see. A wolf thread. There hasn't been one in awhile. I think we've set a new record for the time lapse between threads ... guess one is due :D
     
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    bennysbuddy the sultan of swing

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    I vote for less wolves,I prefer to have the clear space for my backcasts.... just my preferance, I have nothing against wolves. That said can I have extra butter on my popcorn?
     
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    No.
     
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    I would like to see the data he used to come to the conclusions he reached.

    Even though Rocky Mountain elk resemble European red deer, they are a different species.

    In 1994, the year before the wolf was introduced into YNP, the elk population was 19,000. Currently, there are fewer than 4,000. He concludes that the plant growth is due to elk moving out of the valleys. I'm guessing the near 75% reduction just might have played a factor.

    I completely understand someone having a special affinity for one species of animal. But this guy's description of the wolf's impact on YNP borders on adoration of a Diety.

    Trapper
     
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    If you believe this crap you must be working for the gov't or a non-profit.
     
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    Here we go
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    If you don't believe it you must be a trust funder and or an idiot
     
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    Yeah, that well-constructed (I'll just say it, "spin") piece was long on romance and short on facts, wasn't it? Now, I'm not saying I disagree with the notion that removing all those deer and elk wouldn't have an immediate positive result for the vegetation--it obviously would. Perhaps I just object to the semantics of the thing. "Some" deer is not the 15,000 you note here. My point being simply that no matter what side of the debate you are on, transparency and honesty is a good thing. This clip provided neither. Still, an interesting snapshot of the wolf's short term effects. Long term, I would expect the wolf population to plummet as they eat their way out of house and home.
     
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    Name calling. Always constructive...
     
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    Yeah, cause the other guy didn't call him an "idiot" or anything like that.... :rolleyes:
     
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    The Moose population is on the right numbers and the dotted orange is wolf population up to 45 (left scale) Since 1959-2009.

    Its a very interesting chart don't you think?

    However there are so many forces at play on Isle royale, that inbreeding is now an issue. (in Wolves)

    Yellowstone Wolves have a parasite going around if I believe correctly, which might help explain this graph.

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    There are usually larger forces at play that maintain certain balances over time in areas that are not affected by genetic isolation. Nature seems to have a fail safe. If the wolves were so powerful, they would have nothing to eat. By providing a weakness they maintain predator prey relations and a healthier ecosystem.


    I have noticed that in general there is a lot of hate on wolves south of the 49th. If I am wrong please call me on it, as from my view the north side likes the presence of wolves to a point.

    Oh one more thing, not sure where I heard this but apparently Wolves control Coyote populations, and if there are lots of wolves around the fox population is fairly healthy..