NFR It just keeps getting worse for the OU Ducks...

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  1. generic

    generic Active Member

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    Well, we can "agree to disagree" I guess. The draw of Div I vs Div II is staggering. Div II football is measured in billions of dollars, Div I not so much. There are several TV contracts in Div II, but the school size and audience is 100:1 vs Div II. EWU sells out on regular season games, and all of their playoff games, unless it's on TV somewhere. Most all of Div I games sell out all of their regular season games, even when they are on regular TV.

    As far as fans not knowing where they are going to go from week to the next, would make absolutely no difference whatsoever in attendance. I'd argue that more people would become fans, because of a true playoff system. Ask most football fans why they like pro over college - three letters: BCS, which stands for Bull Crap Series.

    I don't believe for one second (especially after watching that TV segment on college football) that fans, students, or anything other than money drives college football. Do you know what the Rose Bowl Grand Marshall gets paid, just for one bowl game? There's no way that any conference wants to give up 10's of millions of guaranteed dollars every year for a playoff system. Most fans want it, but the schools don't.

    http://espn.go.com/college-football...age-91-million-new-playoff-format-sources-say

    Now, say that we had a playoff system. Say Mich or Mich St have a stellar year...uh oh. Now all of a sudden, the PAC 12, SEC, etc. may miss out on $91 million. Do you think those conferences are willing to give up that money for a true playoff system - where their team(s) might not make it to the next round?

    If people want to keep college football where it is at, fine. Just don't label a team "National Champions" because 13 guys and a computer say they are. Even after this "Plus One", four team playoff, lends itself to 13 guys and a computer to decide who those four teams are going to be.

    Heck if the NFL did that, then we may have never had that unbelievable Super Bowl five years ago. They would have just given the trophy to the Pats, and the Giants wouldn't have even been in that game - the only team that could beat them. They almost did it at the end of the regular season, remember? If they ran the NFL the same way, the Giants would have never been "picked" for the championship. They barely made it into the playoffs...then beat the only unbeaten team, and became true champions. (Not a Giants fan, but how cool that must have been for a fan)

    I say, either keep it the way it was before the BCS, no champion, and bowl games. Or have a true playoff.
     
  2. Trustfunder

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    Don't know if anyone saw the special segment on ESPN College Gameday about the guy loosing his eye sight and visiting the 125 FBS home games (his last was Kirby Stadium in Pocatello) , he summed up college football pretty well by saying something to the point as... There's no sport in the world that people are so invested in, it has high drama of energizing or devastation to a community, its the purest team sport a fan can witness.

    I agree, even if it's from my lazy boy
     
  3. Dan Nelson

    Dan Nelson Hiker, Fisher, Writer, Bum

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    FYI......Think you got your Divisions mixed up. When you say Division 2 this encompasses teams such as Central Washington, Western Oregon, Humboldt State, etc., Division 1-AA is your Ivy, Big Sky types, Division 1 is Pac-12, SEC etc. Starting in 2014 season you will see a post season after the bowl games. Of course there will be those that feel they were cheated by being left out of this extra post season game. Yes we can agree to disagree, you have a valid point. But imagine Washington State being pac-12 champ :eek: and hosting two playoff games in December. Fewer students around, or its finals time and this is for both schools each week of games. No bands because most are on finals/vacation breaks....I just see a logistic nightmare in keeping the college spirit in the game. (They probably move it to Spokane to get fans) . And it sucks for the teams that finish 10-1 or 10-2 that are left out of this post-season play-off system. There is no reward at the end of the season.
     
  5. Jack Murphy

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    There is no 1-AA football anymore.

    Football divisions are now Division 1 football: FBS (UW, Alabama) and FCS (EWU, Montana.) FBS is the bowl system along with the BCS system. FCS has a playoff system to determine the champion.

    NCAA division 2 is: Central Washington University, etc and they also have a playoff system.

    This year the FCS playoffs have 24 teams with 8 teams getting a 1st round bye. If you have to play a first round game you could end up playing 5 weeks in a row to win the title.

    BTW here is a link to the projected FCS playoff grid: http://www.sportsnetwork.com/fcs/FCS_Bracket.pdf
     
  6. generic

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    Well, I maybe did screw up the DIV I, DIV II, DIV-AA, or whatever, but I still think they create more of a mess than what EWU plays in (their playoff system).

    As far as 5 weeks in a row....that's what the pro's do, and the Super Bowl is in Giants stadium this year (out door).

    If these young men want to go to the next level (NFL), they need to be condition for the next level. I imagine most players wouldn't pass up on the opportunity to play in the NFL - just because they had to play in cold weather for a couple weeks, and that depends on where you play the playoffs.

    I'm not arguing your point, per se'. Just tired of "Who's really #1, #2, etc. Can't have a true champion, until there is a true playoff.

    That's my angle, and I'm right. I'm also the best fly fisher in the world, always right on politics, and God sometimes asks my advice on stuff. :rolleyes: :p :D
     
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    Dan Nelson,

    Thank you for simplifying the link to the Auburn game.

    I don't know how to do that kind of stuff. I'm a cuputur dork.
     
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    True...still in old school thought.
     
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    Funny stuff. The only problem I see is the 98.5 percent that never will play professional football. What are they preparing for? ;)

    Besides it makes good bar discussion....Miami or UW in 91? :oops:
     
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    I think it's more like 99.98%.

    Seriously though, you're statement is strange. I would bet you any amount of money, that if you went and asked any of those 99.98% that didn't make the draft, and tell them "Hey, we're looking for one more guy - want to try out?" 98.9998 % of them would say yes.

    Just because they're not going to get drafted, doesn't mean they don't want to go. Thus, they prepare for the off chance, (play hard) for that shot of a lifetime.

    As far as the Miami and UW in '91. The Dawgs couldn't go play Miami, even if they wanted to - and they did want to. But the committee (law of the land at the time) was that the Big 10 Champion and the Pac 10 Champion had to play in the Rose Bowl. Nowadays, they can opt out for a shot at the title game. <- Most people do not know that fact. Since then, not one team has opted out for a shot to prove themselves - again, because (like a playoff) they want to be champs, not just go to a bowl game.

    By the way, (not a Dawgs fan) but UW got seriously screwed over that year. They ended up "sharing" the title that year with Miami.

    P.S. And don't get me started on the Heisman trophy. That has gone the way of the Noble Peace Prize... :mad:
     
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    No..not strange statement. 80 percent realize they have no chance and want a good career and use that scholarship wisely. 15 percent think they can....quickly realize physical/mental measurements don't allow it. 4 percent struggle trying to make it for a few years in non-sense leagues. And 1 percent make it...or whatever the figure is. i think you be surprised how many play to get the scholarship and have no intention of playing pro. It is a job to them and it pays the tuition, not a passion, but just a job. ....and a job they care to not to continue! And I do know that...not just guessing. Played 17 years total . 5 in college and one in one of those-non-sense leagues! Football will be done soon. With head injuries and medical discoveries football will be banished in many school districts at the HS level and will continue an upward spiral. But that is a whole different discussion.
     
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    What about in 2011? Oregon played Auburn for the national title.
     
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    FLYFLICKER Chris

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    I think there is a chance the Ducks can sneak back into the BCS title game. It’s a slim chance, but a chance.
    #1 Alabama will have to lose to #6 Auburn- plausible
    #2 Florida State isn’t losing to anyone, based on their remaining schedule.
    #3 Ohio State will have to lose to #13 Michigan State- plausible
    #4 Baylor will have to lose to #10 Oklahoma State- plausible
    #5 Oregon. . . in holding pattern.

    Fight On Trojans!!
     
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    FLYFLICKER Chris

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    #5 Oregon. . . in holding pattern to see how far Alabama drops.
     
  15. generic

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    Exactly. Since the BCS has been in place, teams can apt out of the Rose Bowl for a shot at the title. In 2011, Oregon could have played in the Rose Bowl, but they went for the title game instead.