JoePa

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  1. Josh

    Josh dead in the water

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    And to be honest, I don't see how anyone could read that article about the 1998 investigation and still give JoePa a pass on this. You telling me the god of State College didn't know that his defensive coordinator was involved with an investigation like this? I suppose it's possible, but I find it HIGHLY unlikely. Particularly since Sandusky went from being labeled as "Paterno's successor" to someone who was completely out of coaching football by 1999. You don't think word got around about what happened in 1998? Any whiff of a possibility that Sandusky was doing the EXACT sort of thing that he had been doing in 1998 should have set off alarm bells for everyone. Yeah, the guys higher up are the ones who really need the asskicking (aside from sandusky obviously). But I find it REALLY hard to believe that JoePa somehow just "missed the boat" on this whole thing.

    He failed as a human. Failing in one way or another is something we all do. But just as we all have to pay for our failures, so should he. One mistake doesn't negate the good he has done when the whole of his life is considered. But nor does that good excuse a failure of this magnitude.
     
  2. Joepa

    Joepa Joe from PA

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    It's all outlined in the indictment. The first incident occurred in 1998 and it was investigated by the State College Police Department but no charges resulted. It's hasn't been established that Sandusky was forced out as a result, but in light of what is now known it's certainly not a stretch to conclude that the 98 incident (and god knows what else) was the reason he abruptly retired in 1999. Additionally, there is the curious account of Paterno famously blowing off Sandusky at his retirement dinner. Seems Paterno couldn’t stomach attending an honorary dinner for Sandusky back in 99 but yet was somehow ok with the administration allowing him access to the campus with emeritus status as recently as last week. As far as I'm concerned, they need to immediately clean house - fire all the staff with any connection to this (and deal with the wrongful termination issues later), reach out to the victims, physically destroy the football locker room facility where that abuse happened, establish the largest scholarship fund for sex abuse victims, and set-aside a big pile of their endowment money to research ways to help prevent abuse and treat abuse victims.
     
  3. Yard Sale

    Yard Sale Huge Member

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    This. And you should be granted a new screen name!
     
  4. BDD

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    You said it.

    I want to hear/read his explanation at some point before I totally pass judgement... he has done a lot of good. We all make mistakes...some are more costly than others but this is about as big as it gets. Still, if they are laying out blame, it has to start from the top and work its way down, meaning the president and the AD should be held to a higher accountability. With more duty and responsibility comes more accountability.
     
  5. jumbo215

    jumbo215 Jasper hickman

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    I couldnt agree more, how the janitor walked by and didnt return with a lead pipe to finish that chimo off is beyond me.

    Personally I cant believe this happend under Joe's watch.

    Even to make this creepier I was recruited by PSU and I still have a pile of letters signed by Sandusky
     
  6. Josh

    Josh dead in the water

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    It actually wasn't a janitor, it was a 28 year old grad student who is now a coach there (this guy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_McQueary). I'd like to think I would have been man enough to grab whatever was at hand and beat the shit out of anyone I saw doing something like that. But even if you gave the guy the benefit of the doubt at the time that he did the best he could under duress (which I don't believe), how could he spend all the time since then walking around knowing what he saw, knowing Sandusky was still around, and knowing that he did nothing to help the kid? If I were that kid and I knew this guy had seen me and did nothing to save me......I dunno.
     
  7. Golden Trout

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    Well, the self righteous, pontificators get their wish. Joe Pa is done. I'm sure all of you would have jumped right in and done the right thing had you been in this man's position. Could any of you really walk a half mile in this man's shoes?
     
  8. Josh

    Josh dead in the water

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    What the fuck, really? Are you really asking if I would have gone to the cops if I heard that a guy I knew to be a problem with young boys was AGAIN caught messing around with them in the showers? Hell yes I would have. Or maybe you are asking if I had seen a 60 year old man ass raping a small boy in the shower if I would have jumped right in and done something? Are you out of your mind?

    That has to be the stupidest thing I have ever read on this forum. Anyone who says to them selves "well I sure don't know if I would have helped that little boy" is a pathetic pile of shit.
     
  9. rockthief

    rockthief Fly fishing = food for my soul

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    Are you serious here? I HAVE intervened and I HAVE saved someone. Want to walk in my shoes? Paterno was done all those years ago when he did not do what is right and good. His shoes are worn out.
     
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    There are those times when the chain of command starts with you, or first responder, and I agree this is one where the chain of command started with first contact to situation......no excuse whatsoever not to act. Whether you make initial contact or get someone who will immediateley.....there is only one choice, at least to me and based on my upbringing.
     
  11. Krusty

    Krusty Krusty Old Effer

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    Anybody who attempts to inject 'situational' ethics into this extreme moral and criminal transgression upon a child has serious personal problems. Such perpetrators...and their tacit accomplices, should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law....and where that is not lawfully possibly, they well deserve the revulsion that decent society levels upon such deviants. What would you feel about JoPa's behavior if that was your 10 year old son (or grandson) in the shower with Sandusky? Does the 'reputation' and 'honor' of Penn State football even figure into the equation?
     
  12. Ed Call

    Ed Call Mumbling Moderator Staff Member

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    I'll accept your title of being self righteous and a pontificator. I will answer your question as simply as I can. Hell yes I could have walked a half mile or more in Joe's shoes. Rest assured, had I been in his shoes I would have taken my first walk to the perpetrator of an unforgivable crime and used those shoes to stop a mudhole in his ass so deep they would need DNA testing to identify him.

    Character is measured by what you do when people are NOT watching. You may not like it, but I'm an online character with character.

    When the whole truth comes out in court, let justice be done to all those who did not make it right. My deepest regrets to those involved.
     
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    jumbo215 Jasper hickman

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    Really? Are you saying you could stroll right through and see full blown violation. Then walk away and just chalk it up as " just coach being coach".

    How could you live with yourself? How could you not take some kind of action? Im not talking about calling the cops. How could you not take immediate decisive action, like right fucking now action!

    Just blows my mind
     
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    If I had been walking in his shoes at least one of them would still be up Sandusky ass.
     
  15. Jeff Sawyer

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    iagree

    and just for clairification the first reported incident, according to the grand jury report, was a janitor in 1994. He saw another boy getting ass raped in the shower and reported it to his supervisor who told him how to report it if he chose too. Apparently he chose not to.

    Alot of people, Joe Pa included, had an opportunity to put this shit to a stop and didn't. I hope the parents and victims sue Penn State out of existence. It won't fix what happened to those boys, but it will send a message that there are consequences to covering up shit like this.

    And I pray that I'm never so self absorbed, or that I care so much about a damn football game, or a college program that I would turn my head and let little boys be raped and sodmized and keep my mouth shut to protect a sports programs reputation. Those are the shoes Joe Pa walked in.

    Signed: Self-righteous pontificator (aka Jeff Sawyer)