well I decided to give fly tying a try and I posted on here and got a few reply's. But I wanted to say thank you to Tony Abaloney and Rovaki. Tony sent me a vice and bobbin and Rovaki put together a GREAT PACKAGE for me to get started with. So thank you Tony and Rovaki. I know from now on I will buy my fly tying stuff from Rovaki as that is his business and I am sure from looking at my local fly shop that I got a great deal to get started with. So for you out there that do fly tie you might want to give him a message as he seemed to have a ton of stuff for me to go through to find what I needed and he helped me look for the stuff I needed based on what I told him I wanted to tie. Which helped a lot as I am new. So just wanted to tell the forum about two people that went out of there way, which has happened on here a lot, to show me how to get started on fly tying.