Keeping Brookies?

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  1. Pat Lat

    Pat Lat Mad Flyentist

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    Our brook trout may be wild, but not native. so take a break mid day and throw them in a foil package on the fire and call it lunch
     
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  2. Kent Lufkin

    Kent Lufkin Remember when you could remember everything?

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    Kudos to all who quite rightly recognize that brook trout were introduced prior to a full understanding of their extremely negative impact on native species. WDFW forbids brook trout from being stocked in any public waters for good reason. Brookies outcompete native coastal cutthroat and rainbows for available food and outreproduce them thanks to their wider tolerance of available spawning conditions (primarily in lakes).

    Lakes full of 6-7 year old brookies that are the same number of inches long with big heads and snakelike bodies are a testimony to wrongheaded decisions almost a century ago to introduce them into our waters. While in some fisheries, native species (particularly coastal cutts) are able to retain a toehold against the brook trout onslaught, some fishers I know do indeed toss them up on the bank to die. It's not illegal and there's a sound ethical justification for doing so.

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  3. Mike Munro

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    Eeesh, the plot thickens. Thanks for the input, Kent. I guess I'd bonk a brookie if it was the right thing to do for conservation, so here's my question: do I have an ethical obligation to remove a little 6 inch dink that I pull out of the SF regardless of whether the regulations state that I can't "keep" anything under 10 inches?
     
  4. Brookie_Hunter

    Brookie_Hunter aka Dave Hoover

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    You might have an ethical obligation but it's against the law unfortunately. :eek: I've been wanting to recommend to WDFW that they set a no size limit on brook trout anywhere they inhabit and rid the conflict that's in the regs for the waters like the SF.
     
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  5. scottr

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    My favorite western river (the best river I have ever fished & no I'm not going to name it) used to have 16"-20" bows and cutts that you could sight fish to all day with attractor patterns. Recently it has gone downhill as the stream gets less angler pressure now so the brookies that were introduced in the 1900s by a group of Boston fat cats have taken over and the native fishery is in major decline.

    Brook Trout are a gorgeous fish but don't belong in the west.
     
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  6. Kent Lufkin

    Kent Lufkin Remember when you could remember everything?

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    That's an interesting conundrum and one worth taking up with WDFW. There's an IFPAG meeting soon and I'll be happy to make the case.

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    You sure it's not illegal to waste a gamefish?
     
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    Some of the streams around here would be barren if not for brookies. There are several I don't think are worse for it that don't let them reach any streams where they compete. And there are several that they shouldn't be in, and F&G are trying to eradicate. They did get rid of all the brookies and restocked the one stream that had cutts with"native" westslopes on the rez. So one small victory.
     
  9. Kent Lufkin

    Kent Lufkin Remember when you could remember everything?

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    I did't say it was necessarily legal, just ethical. Just because it's illegal doesn't make it wrong.

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  10. Brookie_Hunter

    Brookie_Hunter aka Dave Hoover

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    Please do Kent.
     
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    I'm all for taking brookies from streams and rivers that have indigenous populations of other fish. But tossing them up on the banks makes no sense, is illegal, and yes, I do believe un-ethical. You can't make me believe you can't find someone to take tasty brookies off your hands.
     
  12. Brookie_Hunter

    Brookie_Hunter aka Dave Hoover

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    I'll second the tasty part... ;)
     
  13. Stonefish

    Stonefish Triploid, Humpy & Seaplane Hater

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    If you are going to toss them, at least toss them in a frying pan.
     
  14. Kent Lufkin

    Kent Lufkin Remember when you could remember everything?

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    FWIW, I didn't say it made sense, only that some folk who feel that strongly about brookies do. Personally, I don't discriminate. I let all fish go after I catch them, even brookies.

    You're a big boy and can certainly believe what you want. But if you fish with me, I not only won't keep brookies, I sure as heck won't give them to you [just kidding!]

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  15. scottr

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    To provide a different perspective on the ethical (not legal) comments replace the word "brook trout" with "northern pike minnow". How is throwing a 5" pike minnow on the bank any different than a 5" brook trout? What about a 5" lake trout on the shore of Yellowstone Lake?