Keeping Brookies?

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  1. triploidjunkie

    triploidjunkie Active Member

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    I wasn't aiming that at you Kent, I'm sure you'd never do such a thing. It just blows me away people do that. I was taught never to kill anything on purpose, unless you planned on eating it. That being said, I give the"ol'montana handshake" to all tench I catch now. And squawfish in a certain watershed that they almost destroyed, even though they are native. And that was at the insistence of local bios.
     
  2. scottr

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    I generally agree but when a species goes from introduced to invasive something needs to be done (like what they are doing with Pike minnow).

    I have only seen this issue in one Washington tributary (and the previously mentioned river that shall not be named). This WA creek was so full of little brookies I never caught a native in it. IMO a 5" dispatched brookie on the bank feeds the 4 legged critters and leaves a little potential carrying capacity for a native.

    BTW I'm not advocating or condoning illegal behavior. We all need to follow the rules. But from a theoretical perspective I don't have a moral dilemma about bonking brookies.
     
  3. 10incher

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    Sorry to be a "rules douche", but... You CAN keep brookies of any size in the Snoqualmie and it's forks. They do not have to be 10". And you CAN'T catch them and throw them up on the bank to die.

    EBT (eastern brook trout) are not included in the general "trout" species list and therefor fall under statewide rules for their species in open waters. Which, for rivers and streams, is no size limit and a bag of five.

    The "Harvest and Possession" rules state that "You May Not: Intentionally waste fish or shellfish. This includes mutilating or clipping fins and then returning to the water any live fish"

    So eat 'em if you keep 'em! Any of 'em!
     
  4. Richard Olmstead

    Richard Olmstead BigDog

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    NPM are native; brookies are not. Brookies also pose a threat to bull trout where they co-occur.
    I believe that you are required to kill any lake trout caught in Yellowstone Lake, so there is no ambivalence there.
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  5. 10incher

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    Actually...
     
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    All true.

    I'm not advocating or condoning illegal behavior. We all need to follow the rules. In the case of the Yellowstone, yes it is illegal to put them back.

    But from a theoretical perspective I don't have a moral dilemma about bonking brookies.
     
  7. Mike Munro

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    So for the purposes of this discussion, how does the species catch-and-keep rule reconcile with the "may not intentionally waste fish..." provision? Seems like "harvesting" an undersized brookie just to cull the population may be a conflict.

    (I get the sense that we're not going to arrive at a decisive conclusion in this discussion, but I find it fascinating, none the less.)
     
  8. 10incher

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    I don't have any problem recognizing the ambiguity of the stated rules. But... Semantics aside, you can't legally waste any fish intentionally. And that's how it will go down in any legal judgment. I don't mind playing with the possibilities NOT unimplied by the rules, but that'll only get you so far in front of a game warden or a judge.
     
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    Fixed this for ya ;)
     
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    Equivocation: it's what's for dinner ;)
     
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    Here in NE Oregon there is no limit on the # of brook trout you can keep except for a few exceptions. They tend to overpopulate. They also seem to out compete the native redbands in the lakes where both species are present, taking the best parts of the habitat and being fatter. If anyone wants to fill the smoker, come on down!
     
  12. Daryle Holmstrom

    Daryle Holmstrom retiredfishak

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    It feeds the Wolves and Cougars
     
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    This is interesting. There really isn't a difference. At least when they get thrown on the bank the biomass stays within the watershed.
     
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    Don't get us started on wolves ;)
     
  15. 10incher

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    +1
    I totally agree. I was just pointing out the rules. Plus... I'm just a little too selfish to trade a trout in the pan for it's usefulness as "biomass".