License rant

Discussion in 'Fly Fishing Forum' started by Itchy Dog, Apr 12, 2013.

  1. freestoneangler

    freestoneangler Not to be confused with Freestone

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    Nope it's what happens when one chooses to live on the ant hill. This does not take into account the significant population differences, revenue/capita, and effect of transient voter base.

    Like I said, let's get a complete list of every budget line item and have the discussion from that point. I suspect there are a good many ("are you kidding me") items the insiders would simply prefer not to discuss.
     
  2. freestoneangler

    freestoneangler Not to be confused with Freestone

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    Yes they are... we should be glad they don't require we wear them on outer garment like CA :)
     
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  3. KerryS

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    I am proud to say I am from Skagit County, one of only three evenly split counties in the state and receiving less than we give.
     
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    ....and what is up with Ferry County? Bunch of welfare cases up there.
     
  5. Salmo_g

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    I trim my license and CRC to achieve a better fit in my wallet. With the thin paper it's made of nowadays, it takes up about the same amount of volume as the old light cardboard punch cards and paper license. Mountains out of molehills methinks.

    The Discover Pass, that is another matter. I think public land should be accessible to the public for no more than the cost of citizenship. If you pay your taxes, you should have the right to access public property. The reason the Legislature chose to defund State Parks and institute the Discover Pass is because public parks are a high demand asset for which it is fairly easy to enforce "pay to play." Now state park employees spend their time enforcing the Discover Pass instead of maintaining the park. Nice trade off. The Legislature can't institute "pay to play" as readily for many other state general funded activities. The state Constitution won't let them charge you tuition to send your kids to public schools. And imagine putting the State Patrol on a financial self-sufficiency diet -- they'd be too busy writing speeding tickets to ever investigate crime. Highways have long been somewhat self-supporting with the gas tax. And let's face it, there is no "pay to play" model that could ever fund DSHS, the state's largest public agency. Ergo, we get the Discover Pass, regardless that it's just morally wrong, according to my morals.

    Sg
     
  6. Dan Nelson

    Dan Nelson Hiker, Fisher, Writer, Bum

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    Good ol' days? Give me a F*&^ing break!

    The good days featured endless catch-and-kill coupled with massive hatchery put-and-take stocking with 50% per fewer people using our natural resources.. The population in WA since 1980 has grown more than 50% (from 4.1 million people in 1980 to 6.8 million last year) while our supply of native fish has declined.

    Today hikers, boaters, anglers and hunters bitch about licence and access fees but the simple fact is we have far more people demanding access to far fewer natural resources, with less public funds to manage them. What the hell do you think is going to happen in this situation?

    General fund dollars will never again cover public lands and natural resource recreation. IF we aren't willing to cover the costs of managing the resources we enjoy (fish, game, wildlands, trails, etc.) those resources will eventually disappear.

    Frankly, I'm sick of the bitching about how things were in the 'good old days' -- it was the practices of the users and managers during those 'good old days' that screwed us all today!

    Buy a Discover Pass ($30 - covers all day use in State parks, DNR lands, and WDFW lands) and an America the Beautiful Pass ($80 - covers all day use in virtually all US Forest Service, National Park, BLM and US Wildlife Refuge lands NATION WIDE) and stop bitching -- or else accept that fact that your kids will not have access to the lands you currently enjoy. It's your call.
     
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  7. Krusty

    Krusty Krusty Old Effer

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    It's always the deadbeats (and freeloaders) that bitch the most!
     
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  8. Krusty

    Krusty Krusty Old Effer

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    We remember the 'good ol days'...and forget the bad old days. As Stan Kenton once said, "The only good thing about the 'good old days' is that they're gone."

    I'm old enough to remember those days....and their aftermath...the hordes of fisherman hauling gunny-sacks of fish out of lakes, creeks, and rivers...like there was no tomorrow (some, upon retirement, escaped to Montana...which will eventually meet the same fate). The demands that, somehow, those fish be replaced, in those tapped out waterbodies....and now...the whining about paying for those efforts. The same ethic, and thought, that there'd be no end to the productive capacity of forests, mineral deposits, water resources, and new 'horizons' for human exploitation of the earth.

    And you know what...it doesn't matter if you agree with me or not.....we're hitting 'carrying capacity' on any variety of environmental fronts. It's not limitless, and it will require ever more regulation, control, and financial support.

    The neat thing is that most 'deep ecologists' laugh at the idea of humanity 'saving the earth'; it will do just fine after we're long gone (at least until the sun inevitably burns out). Of course, this all pales into insignificance, compared to the outlandish licensing documentation we have to carry around!
     
  9. cpjm

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    Not to totally discount the article, but I would take any article from uber-liberal Stranger with a grain of salt, especially if they can twist the figures and logic to make conservative/Republicans appear to be the bad guys.
     
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    In the words of Daniel Patrick Moynihan, "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." Just because you don't like the facts presented by the stranger doesn't mean you can disregard them like an opinion you don't like--unless you can show them to be erroneous. Good luck.
     
  11. Alex MacDonald

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  12. Darthmonkey

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    I'd love to see that overlayed with median income brackets of each county. I bet the results might worry some folks
     
  13. cabezon

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    Ask and you shall receive, although it is for the country as whole. [​IMG]

    This isn't quite what you asked for (average wage by county), but it gives a similar picture and you can see how it changes over the last 20+ years (see http://www.ofm.wa.gov/trends/economy/maps102.asp).

    Steve
     
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  14. Jim Wallace

    Jim Wallace Smells like low tide.

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    Yeah you just lucked out and fell into a county that isn't so far from the core of the ant farm that it escapes being a bedroom community for high wage and salary earners. Lately out here on the coastal strip we've been maintaining unemployment figures hovering over 25% ! My neighbor was doing his best to level those numbers by commuting about 150 miles RT to Oly from here at least 4 days every week, until he retired.
    Grays Harbor Co seems to lie in the middle range of the (re)distribution. There seems to be plenty of "work" to be found out here for entrepreneurial types who can create their own jobs or situations by marketing their skills and expertise. However, much of the local economy here is seasonal and depends on the tourist season. The big year-round employer here, Westport Shipyards, has been laying off workers recently.
    The local resource rapers always manage to stay pretty busy, and the cranberry bogs are waking up and require tending. Those "jobs" usually are already filled by locals. Not too many "job listings," though.

    Now, can you tell me how Kitsap Co gets to fly under the radar? No numbers posted for them. I wouldn't be surprised if DryFlyLarry has something to do with that!:D
     
  15. Old Man

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    Kitsap Co was there. You need better glasses