NFR.................Gas

Discussion in 'Fly Fishing Forum' started by Old Man, Nov 15, 2013.

  1. cabezon

    cabezon Sculpin Enterprises

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    Add into the mix that the U.S. now produces more oil than it imports, a huge change from only a few years ago (see http://www.ineffableisland.com/2012/12/269-per-barrel-of-oil-seen-by-eia-new.html). Fracking has rejuvenated production at some fields that had been declining. Using U.S.-produced oil for refineries reduces their transport costs; they can make the same or perhaps larger profit and still reduce price.

    The flattening (even reduction) in overall demand has also had an impact (see http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=pet&s=mgfupus1&f=a). So maybe those government mandates to improve fuel efficiency have been having an impact as well as changes in Americans' vehicle-buying habits (see http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...-are-more-fuel-efficient-than-ever-heres-why/).

    Steve
     
  2. Rick Sharp

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  3. dryflylarry

    dryflylarry "Chasing Riseforms"

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    Ha! A quart of oil costs more than a gallon of gas.....or try buying car repair parts... Rip off.
     
  4. Tacoma Red

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    These are very interesting articles on the future of alternative fuels. One would think, as I have read recently, that within the next 5 years or its expected that there will be a great technological leap in batter power storage and efficiency that will allow electric powered vehicles to travel 500+ miles on one charge. And what about other alternative fuels such as cellulosic produced diesel (I like algal-based), or even compressed natural gas?


    http://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/01/a-glimpse-of-the-alternative-fuel-future/?_r=0

    http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2013/mit-report-maps-future-of-alternative-fuel-vehicles.html
    http://mitei.mit.edu/system/files/Alt_Fuel_Vehicles.pdf

    http://www.nyas.org/publications/media/PodcastDetail.aspx?cid=b07065fc-958b-4b9b-987a-d6208d6bf42f
     
  5. Jim Wallace

    Jim Wallace Smells like low tide.

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    I buy at the station run by the Shoalwater Tribe 10 miles to the south of me, in Tokeland. Its $0.30 per gal cheaper there than at any of the local "off rez" stations. Filled up there with Supreme for $3.39 the other day (with cash discount of $0.10/gal).
     
  6. freestoneangler

    freestoneangler Not to be confused with Freestone

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    Until diesel starts following the trend, I'm going to start charging for pulling X-boxes out of the ditches, running neighbors stuff to the dump, and Sally or Joey's bed to college dorms :D.
     
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  7. Old Man

    Old Man Just an Old Man

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    My cheapest gas was 11.9 cents a gallon. The stations used to have gas wars to see who could draw in the most customers. But this was in the 50's. I got out of the Service in 1956. Got a job at the Lazy "B". Bought myself a car, a 1951 Pontiac with an inline 6, Flushamatic tranny and about 12 MPG. You didn't worry about the price of gas back then. You just pulled up to the pump and said "Filler up". I made $ 1.60 cents an hour at Boeing. Second shift added 12 cents to your hourly pay. I had more money that I knew what to do with.

    It sure isn't that way now. Bring back the good old days.
     
  8. fredaevans

    fredaevans Active Member

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    You want to 'pay up' come to Southern Oregon! Reason same is all the fuel has to come out of Corvallis (or Eugene?) and trucked 150'sh miles ... then the truck has to drive back empty. There is no free lunch.
     
  9. Dipnet

    Dipnet The wanted posters say Tim Hartman

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    Ya know, when I first saw the title of this thread I thought OMJ was going to regale us with tales of his gastric problems! ;)

    FWIW, regular's currently about 3.239 out here on the Kitsap Peninsula.

    Edit: Just got back from town and it's 3.219 today!
     
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    Here's the problem with electric cars. Even if they can improve the range to 500 miles between charges, you still need to stop for a charge and that takes a lot of time. Unless they can reduce the charge time down to the same amount it takes to fill up a gas tank, electric cars will not be practical for your primary form of transportation.

    If you use the vehicle just to roam around a large city, they are very practical. But if I planned to drive to YNP in an electric car, it would take me a long time due to the length of time it takes to charge the battery when it requires a recharge.

    Electric vehicles make sense if you live in the East and make short trips. But we out here in the West tend to drive long distances so finding a charging station and waiting for the vehicle to recharge is problematic.
     
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    $ 3.09 Albany
    $ 2.99 Salem
     
  12. Lugan

    Lugan Joe Streamer

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    Sitting here on the couch watching tv, I am producing lots of gas and it's all free.
     
  13. Krusty

    Krusty Krusty Old Effer

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    Back then you spent it all on beer, cigarettes, and loose women....and the rest you just wasted.
     
  14. Dipnet

    Dipnet The wanted posters say Tim Hartman

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    :)

    That reminds me of the guy at his doctor appointment where Doc tells him: "You should give up smoking, drinking and chasing women."
    He replies "Well, if I do that can I maybe live to be 100?"
    Doctor answers "No guarantees of that but it will sure as hell seem that long!!"
     
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  15. Old Man

    Old Man Just an Old Man

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    Not really. I was a good boy until I turned 24. Then I did all the other stuff. Then I went to hell.