NFR: How do you pack your firearm when fishing?

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  1. Trent

    Trent Ugly member

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    Even though Washington State is an “Open Carry”, it is not the wisest way to carry a firearm in this state. This is do to RCW 9.41.270; this RCW basically means (in my own words), that it is illegal to carry with the intent to intimidate. What that means is simple, say you are just standing there minding your own business and fishing, when someone else enters the same area; you do not know they are there, but they see you, your gun, and feel threatened. This will likely get the cops called, and yes even though you did not mean to threaten them, they still felt threatened; hence you are now in trouble. There are a lot of people out there who are needlessly afraid of firearms and there are people who just don’t like them. So essentially legal technicalities are why I choose to conceal it most of the time, this depends on situation and location.

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    This can be viewed as a good tactical way not to get in trouble with the law. It is phsychologicaly good for you not to take a trip to jail or pay some fines. It is also a more functional means for you to spend your time with a fishing pole in hand instead of spending your time talking to a judge.
     
  2. Ed Call

    Ed Call Mumbling Moderator Staff Member

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    I once got told that I could not eat in an open mess while armed and providing security for those entrusted to me. The complaintant stated they felt intimidated and scared in the close proximity of handguns. I thought that was a bunch of shit.

    Sorry off track.
     
  3. west_jay

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    Nice job!

    I was scared this thread might end. :beer2:
     
  4. Coach Duff

    Coach Duff Banned or Parked

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    Your interpretation of the law is incorrect, you have never even tried to wear a firearm in the open it shows and it is obvious. I have never been harrassed in any way wearing a firearm in the woods (where all of you claim to be digging deep into while flyfishing). I quit my gun ownership and carrying many years ago, (but have nothing against any of it if there is some kind of intelligence or foresight put into it.) I do have something against complete untrained, dumbasses carrying "HEAT" as you call it around me on flyfising rivers. Number one I don't trust most of your interpretations into why and where you need deadly force and over the years have found more concealed carry BUBBAS to really be pussies and insecure little boys. The gun is simply an extension of their physical, social and communication imperfections which we all possess. I also know some damn fine well trained concealed carry folks who know when and whey they are carrying and I respect them 100%. It 's an American right. You have taken this personally which lends to good comedy. So someone else.......... Why concealed? Is it tactical, functional, or because you don't want to deal with all of the laughing and people calling you a dumbshit because you are wearing a gun in a tac holster ready for combat on a flyfishing river in Washington state. You will never get to the concealed weapon especially if it is in your waders if you are actually stalked and attacked so why wear it around? Now a cross draw Tac Holster makes a small bit of sense and you can change the tension holding the gun in so it can be secure as you rock hop or wade a little deeper here or there or when you are getting ready to "pop a cap in the ass":rolleyes: of that next asshole you low holes you:D you are ready for battle. But since a shitty unathletic man can cover 21 feet in less than a second in a half, it's going to be tough to pull that baby out with a cross draw aint it Cowboys. But from a tactical and common sense standpoint, since all of you hike so far into meth lab, moonshine, weed plant and man eating bear country, (have seen one long abandoned still, some maybe shitty old meth labs, and a half dozen black bear flyfishing and elk hunting all over the state deep into the woods) wearing a tack holster on the leg makes the most sense. Get rid of the 9MM, get into the 230 grain 850 feet per second world and learn a whole bunch about weapons retention tecniques Rambos.
    Okay, back to the holster question? Why concealed?


    PS And there are weapons today you could wade wet all day submerged, and it would function perfectly when drawn. Us Force Recon Marines and SEALs know this full on. So wet wading is not a solid answer. Gentlemen you are claiming that this holster selection is a life support system based decision.........

    Why concealed?

    Oh and since we are preparing for flyfishing and firefights, the next issue is those damn heavy cumbersome magazines full of ammo, which all of us gun slingers know we are going to need at least 3 of if we really think there is a threat where we are flyfishing. And where do we carry those?
     
  5. steelydan

    steelydan Newb seeking wisdom

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    I am not going to insult your intelligence with a play by play of my post....
    The only reason for concealed on the river or in the woods is to head off any 'Coach Duff' sticking-my-nose-where-it-doesn't-belong expert commentary.
    I have been shooting handguns since 1970.
    Bullseye indoor competition since 1977.
    IPSC and IDPA since 2001.
    First SteelyDan album purchased...AJA in 1978.
    I'm really tired of seeing these gun posts deteriorate into self-indulgent rants.
    I'm done on this thread.
    BTW, Newb to flyfishing....not firearms.
     
  6. Coach Duff

    Coach Duff Banned or Parked

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    5 years in JTF hostage rescue teams during which we averaged thousands of rounds a day
    Graduate of 7 JSOC shooting packages, and the only Force Recon Marine (2nd Force) to shoot a perfect 500 11 times on JSOC qual course in full combat equipement and gas mask
    25 months in Direct Action role in combat zones
    Hand picked by Charles Beckworth founder of Delta Force to be combat pistol demonstrater on National Geographic "World of Valor" TV show showcasing Force Recon. Find a copy I work over the steel targets n full black gear with a stocking cap on.
    Chosen to instruct the Saudi, Omani and Quatar special forces on combat handgunning.
    Gun site graduate
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    Now that we have compared dick size:rolleyes: (neither of us can get a cup of coffee with our amazing "credentials") do either of us fall into the catagory of those whose intentions I question about carrying concealed weapons in flyfishing rivers? But you seem to be as insecure and as offended as the next rookie. So answer the question like you actually understand combat handgunning. So why a concealed holster inside your waders in this supposed high threat environment?
     
  7. Ethan G.

    Ethan G. I do science.. on fish..

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    Steely Dan, you, sir, just got owned. :rofl: And Coach, I don't think anyone is going to have a very convincing answer to your question.
    -Ethan
     
  8. GATOR9

    GATOR9 Hey you guys

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    Coach Duff,

    Damn you talk a lot. I really think your are seriously in need of some help. Now I know I am going to get blasted for this but I for one am tired of reading your crap. Are you serious?
    I have to believe that some where in your training you were taught some discipline. Not all of us are idiots as you seem to think we are. Some of us are just average people, professional people and believe it or not have had some training like you have but dude you are lacking something. To use the term I'm sure your familiar with you need some RR. Coach your line is way to tight.
     
  9. Rocket Red

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    I open carry my fillet knife, it keeps me safe.

    Got it at Monte Square, in the glass case for $19.99.

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  10. Trent

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    Coach Duff, I already answered your question. I see age has deteriorated your brain in the area of reading comprehension. I suggest you actually go and look up the law I quoted (RCW 9.41.270). If you are still confused call a local Sheriffs Office (Washington State is the area you are looking for), or ask a lawyer. Could your lack of being able to understand the law be the reason behind you not choosing to carry a firearm? Yes, we all know carrying a gun in the open is more efficient then having it wrapped up under clothing, I’m glad you are here to inform us of it, though I do believe the OP asked about concealed holsters. I would also like to thank you for reiterating the fact that for every responsible individual who carries a firearm, there is at least a 100 (this is a made up number off of the top of my head) irresponsible idiots doing the same thing. Oh, on a side note, look up some history about the open carry law, the restriction I mentioned is one that is modeled after one that California put into play. It was a court decision in 1969, which revolved around the “black panthers” showing up to court with rifles (this is a really brief overview).

    Here is your answer about when to use deadly force; RCW 9A.16.020; this section covers situations where it is not unlawful to use deadly force. Yes you are going to have to look this up and read it. Advil now or later?
     
  11. jcalderon

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    This thread should stop right here, "As I am" shut your mouth and realize that the only reason we are allowed to have this convorsation openly and freely, the reason we are both allowed to carry, and the reason I am allowed to call you a douche is because of people like Coach Duff, People who dont give a rip how many plinking championships you won.
     
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    Oh yeah, Thanks Coach!
     
  13. Rayne Rivers

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    I too can see both sides. But, there does seem to be a bit of extremist reaction... I don't think that the majority of concealed weapons carriers are anywhere near being classified as "Rambo's". In fact, to me it seems the opposite is true - most do their damned best to keep their "status" as confidential as possible. How does having the desire to exercise a concealed carry status turn one into a "Rambo"?!

    And, from some of the comments here, am I to believe that no one, excepting for LE's and ex-military personnel, can, are, or have been able to rightfully and successfully defend themselves with a concealed handgun?! That is in fact the impression that seems to want to be pushed. As for the "hassles" that may occur with shooting another person in self defense - what about that small detail - the possible alternative of one's own death if you in fact don't have the option for self defense?!
     
  14. Trent

    Trent Ugly member

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    Well I guess since we are measuring size I’ll contribute.

    4 years USMC-2nd battalion 7th marines Company G 3rd platoon
    (2 yrs as a machine gunner (M249)/ 2yrs as a unit leader)
    CAP platoon- instructed Iraqi soldiers in urban combat, Patrol tactics, and marksmanship
    Trained in guerrilla warfare tactics
    Lead approximately 150+ combat patrols, participated in more.
    2 years associates degree in Criminal Justice (hence why I know I’m correct on my interpretations of the law).

    Yup, guess I measure up pretty short.


    Wow, thanks for the insight buddy:beathead:
     
  15. jcalderon

    jcalderon Member

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    LOL then thank you too! Youre both a couple of assholes. Now Can we have a beer?

    I was never in the military, but I was a bouncer at one point, and I have a purple belt in "rex kwon do" so its on me