NFR: No Solution, just dead kids...

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  1. Lugan

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    Don't forget a 50 round magazine, or better yet, a few pockets full of those magazines.
     
  2. Lugan

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    I'm willing to pay more if needed. On the other hand, we already have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world. Maybe we are exceptionally crazy as a nation (how's that for "American exceptionalism"?). Better yet, we need to re-prioritize our gov't budgets at every level anyway, so we should throw mental health into the mix for sure in an overall budget re-do. A topic for another thread probably.
     
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    I don't think this is a topic for another thread. Mental illness and the lack of funds is playing a significant part in the recent killing rampages. You must look at the root cause and not just the gun. Both must be addressed yet the majority of posts on this thread have to do with gun control and nothing to do with the root cause.
     
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    Agreed! I just meant re-doing the whole gov't budget is probably for another thread.
     
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    Someone in this thread noted that Australia banned assault weapons after a massacre in the 1990's. There was some kind of buy-back program called NFA afterward. It appears it had a good effect:

    "For Australia, the NFA seems to have been incredibly successful in terms of lives saved. While 13 gun massacres (the killing of 4 or more people at one time) occurred in Australia in the 18 years before the NFA, resulting in more than one hundred deaths, in the 14 following years (and up to the present), there were no gun massacres.

    "The NFA also seems to have reduced firearm homicide outside of mass shootings, as well as firearm suicide. In the seven years before the NFA (1989-1995), the average annual firearm suicide death rate per 100,000 was 2.6 (with a yearly range of 2.2 to 2.9); in the seven years after the buyback was fully implemented (1998-2004), the average annual firearm suicide rate was 1.1 (yearly range 0.8 to 1.4). In the seven years before the NFA, the average annual firearm homicide rate per 100,000 was .43 (range .27 to .60) while for the seven years post NFA, the average annual firearm homicide rate was .25 (range .16 to .33).

    "Additional evidence strongly suggests that the buyback causally reduced firearm deaths. First, the drop in firearm deaths was largest among the type of firearms most affected by the buyback. Second, firearm deaths in states with higher buyback rates per capita fell proportionately more than in states with lower buyback rates.

    "One evaluation of the law concluded that: The rates of total firearm deaths, firearm homicides and firearm suicides all at least doubled their existing rates of decline after the gun laws; there is no evidence of substitution for suicides or homicides.2 A more recent evaluation, which examined the differences across states, concluded that "the buyback led to a drop in the firearm suicide rates of almost 80 per cent, with no significant effect on non-firearm death rates. The effect on firearm homicides is of similar magnitude, but is less precise".4 This incredible size of the effect (80% reduction) strains credulity."

    Full study: http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/research/hicrc/files/bulletins_australia_spring_2011.pdf

    Or maybe Aussies got dramatically less crazy concurrent with the ban and buy-back.

    And by the way, so far the UN hasn't invaded Australia, nor has the Oz government turned on its citizens to deprive them of their freedoms. This experience matches the rest of the developed and democratized world. But maybe we are different.
     
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    it scares me that I've become this cynical, but I'm willing to bet that bushmaster's sales will takeoff for all the wrong reasons.
     
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    Got ya! I scares the hell out of me when they are letting dangerous criminals loose in Eugene because they claim there are no funds to keep them in jail. I think the problem is related.
     
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    Serious question for the WFF members who seem to have expertise in mental health (before I Bing-Google it myself): Does the US have a substantially higher rate of mental illness? If higher, how much higher?
     
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    You're getting a bit over the top there, no exploding ammo is available to any but the military and it's not made for small arms. When you start seeing RPG's on the streets, run for the hills. BTW, it doesn't matter how we got here, it matters where we go from here.
     
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    Please don't tell me what I do and don't know. Its called a generalization. Because its usually true. Rarely is anything 100% but you know damned well I'm pretty much on the mark. I can give you a thousand examples of things that are usually true. Just because there are exceptions to the rule doesn't make my reference off mark. And not pissed over debate its just peak lol. And doesn't matter politics is politics. We've shut down tons of posts with good content because if it. So if I see a political bashing the thread us coming down. Got it folks? And parking those who do it at same time.
     
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    I was sloppy with that word; didn't mean to be dramatic. Should've written "fragmenting" or similar.
     
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