NFR---Nuclear Power

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  1. Charles Sullivan

    Charles Sullivan dreaming through the come down

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    It's been shown over and over throughout the world. Whenever women get educated and move away from more conservative cultural values (regardless of culture) birth rates drop. Every fucking time. It's truly not debatable.

    Educate women in Northern Africa, free them from muslim or tribal conervatism = less kids.

    On a more close to home level. My mom was a practicing Catholic ( culturally conservative). 4 kids.

    Her 4 kids are all atheists. 1.5 kids per. Every fucking time.

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  2. David Dalan

    David Dalan 69°19'15.35" N 18°44'22.74" E

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    Careful now. The Eloi will need Morlocks. If the Morlocks cannot breed, the Eloi will be in deep shit.

    As an aside, its funny how many Morlocks think they are Eloi.

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  3. Mark Moore

    Mark Moore Just a Member

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    OP.... That is a great film. I was more than a little intrigued with the story line which you rightly describe as a number of hard core environmentalists who have had a change of heart regarding nuclear power. The film also does a great job explaining the different types of nuclear reactors and why there was a rush to build the less safe version. We now have the technology to build truly safe reactors...but alas, no political will to do so.

    With regard to the sentiments about population control I have a simple question and then a proposition.

    The question- Whom shall choose those of us worthy of reproduction?

    The proposition- If you believe the world is presently overpopulated and it is such a moral conundrum, maybe you should volunteer to jump overboard? ;)
     
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  4. Charles Sullivan

    Charles Sullivan dreaming through the come down

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    http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/97facts/edu2birt.htm
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/may/9/education-level-inversely-related-to-childbearing/
    http://www.eubios.info/EJ124/ej124i.htm

    Really neat one here: http://www.reproductive-health-journal.com/content/6/1/14

    This one really pounds the point home too: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2723861/

    I suppose I could go on but it gets redundant.

    I am hopeful that we will not have to think about deciding who can or can't reproduce because culture may just get us there. I remember reading in Freakonomics how a study in India, I believe, showed that women with access to Television had lower birth rates. Every step towards modernity and against the old ways leads to lower birth rates. Tehnology may be the best defense against overpopulation.

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  5. jersey

    jersey livin' the dream

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    charles what happens when your wife is brilliant and smoking hot? just to further the ass hatness, how did your siblings get the .5 kid?

    lower consumption most likely is not going to happen, look around and literally see the ratchet-up impact us everyday.
     
  6. David A.

    David A. Upside down.

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    Obviously white males...:D:p

    Seriously, it was a good film - really enjoyed it.
     
  7. Charles Sullivan

    Charles Sullivan dreaming through the come down

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    Funny you should ask Jersey, my wife happens to be quite fine IMO and quite brilliant (although her tenacity may be her best trait). We have 2 kids and will have no more. So with an N=1 in my study that will lead to her reproducing at less than replacement rate. Not statistically signifigant but neither was the horseradish thought behind Mr. Allen telling me I was incorrect.

    Now on to the 1.5. My mother has 6 grandkids and 4 children. That is an average of 1.5 grandchildren per child. Although she roughly doubled replacement, none of her children have gotten to replacement levels and given our ages it is unlikely any will. All 4 went to college (education) with 3 graduating and 1 has her masters (2 children).

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  8. Chris Johnson

    Chris Johnson Member: Native Fish Society

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    Charles is correct, empower women and family size declines. I actually like the idea of no tax credit after 2 kids.

    Nuclear reactors are cost prohibitive ( with external costs beyond our lifetime). How about mandatory solar panels on any new structure and tax incentives for retro-fits. Distributive power generation is the future. Oh wait, that will cut into peoples profits, we can't do that.
     
  9. Mark Moore

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    As a white male....I might be OK with that. :)
     
  10. Charles Sullivan

    Charles Sullivan dreaming through the come down

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    I have been researching solar for my house. It looks like I should be cash flow positive immediately, even w/o factoring the increase in home value due to conspicuous conservation.

    cds
     
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  11. SteveA

    SteveA Gnu to the board

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    Bang! I think you nailed it on both counts. Nuclear is prohibitively expensive.

    Lately I've been thinking about this distributed power concept. What if building regulations required every new house to produce power via wind, solar, geothermal, etc. In a world (as defined in this bizarre thread) where government controls your reproductive system, this should be acceptable.
     
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  12. Rob Allen

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    people should reproduce as they see fit
    people should use less power or generate their own.
    they should drive vehicles that fit their lifestyle ( if you don't tow you don't need an f 350)

    It's all about personal responsibility...
    Nuclear power is irresponsible..

    nuclear waste has a half life about 10,000 times longer than any government has been on the planet. therefore no government can keep those wastes safe and secure because no government will be around long enough to do so.


    how that for a shotgun blast of rant???
     
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    Wow! I sure am glad some of youaren't running this world or nation. That would be some effed up SH!t! Not that I'm down with the current situation but daaangggggg!
     
  14. Chris Johnson

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    One more thing to consider, Japan is closing their nuclear plants ( because of Fukashima), and building hybrid generation plants that burn coal or natural gas.
     
  15. cmann886

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    Rob; I hope you understand what that means.

    Consider that each smart phone requires about the same amount of power as a refridgerator when you consider all the servers required to make them functional. It is simply impossible for us to conserve our way out of the need for more power unless you plan on giving up most of your comforts and are willing to wreck our economy. It is certainly worth watching the flick to understand what is at stake. Again this is from a guy who spent his time protesting nuclear power in the 1960's and 70's.