Occupy Skagit

Discussion in 'Steelhead' started by _WW_, May 19, 2012.

  1. Chris DeLeone

    Chris DeLeone Active Member

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    This to me is KerryS and WW thing - I am willing to support and hope that there is a good group of folks in involved - I would love to be a part of that. I have reached out to a couple of folks to discuss the next steps and how I can lend a hand in this process.
     
  2. plecoptera419

    plecoptera419 Active Member

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    Having grown up here in the Skagit Valley and watching the river dying a slow death over my lifetime. All I can say is its about frigging time somebody threw a protest. I would like to help. Feel free to contact me and let me know what I can do.
     
  3. Chris Johnson

    Chris Johnson Member: Native Fish Society

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    I am willing to help in any capacity needed, whatever it may be I'm all in.
     
  4. Jason Rolfe

    Jason Rolfe Wanderer

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    I'm all in as well. I've been wanting to learn more about this situation and NW steelhead in general. To those taking the lead on this, please keep us all informed of help that might be needed.
     
  5. _WW_

    _WW_ Fishes with Wolves

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    Ok...I'm not a scientist, I'm a dumb carpenter so keep that in mind as we try to educate me.
    I can see how a CnR season could be a management tool to limit harvest. That's what the “release” part of it is all about. However, we don't want to harvest any fish – none, zilch, nada. In other words, zero impact. That's right! Zero Impact! I wish to be presumed innocent until proven otherwise.

    I see a management minded alternative use for CnR seasons. A management tool to provide more angling opportunity. Remember their mandate? “The commission shall attempt to maximize the public recreational game fishing...” There it is, the hammer we need...We just want them to do their job.

    We can even offer up something in trade...although having to trade for something they already owe us seems a bit unfair, We would probably do it any way.
    WDFW can re-institute the catch record card that asked us to keep track of the wild fish we brought to hand. Think of that. Several hundred free research assistants every week! Free up to date real-time-data to work with.

    You are going to have a really hard time convincing me that the Commission gives a rat's ass about the economic welfare of a gas station in Rockport...or Concrete...or Darrington. It's not in their job description. But if you think it will help, go for it. It might be a better play for the Governor.


    This one I like the most. And it falls under their Mandate - “The commission shall attempt to maximize the public recreational game fishing...” The part I take exception to is basing it on abundance. This is where the wedge gets driven and the season gets closed – same as now – nothing will change and all this will be for naught. People, if there are less fish in the system, less fish will be caught. I know it, you know it, and they know it. For lots of people it defines a “bad fishing trip” and even encourages some to not even make the trip. This will reduce even more any 'percieved' impact.

    “The Feds” This is what I worry about the most. It just seems like the path of least resistance for the Commission is to throw up their hands and hide behind “The Feds” - That faceless, nameless entity with God-like powers capable of sapping the backbone right out of those responsible for trying to give us an angling opportunity. How do we deal with these guys? What do we tell our Commissioners to do.

    Grrr...now my blood pressure is up. Think I'll go out in the back yard and see if less than an ounce of pot has fallen out of the sky so I can come in, smoke some and tie up some occupy flies.
     
  6. _WW_

    _WW_ Fishes with Wolves

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    Ok...the backyard was empty so I did something else.
    I found this:
    http://www.nativefishsociety.org/conservation/documents/CR survival of winter sth AFS 2005.pdf

    Basically they tagged steelhead with radios and then tracked them.
    This is what it says on page 8:
    (2) no deaths were observed among radio-tagged fish known to be recaptured and released by anglers, and (3) survival did not vary with the frequency of recapture...

    In fact, if I understood the report correctly, more fish died from being tagged than from being caught and released...no matter how many times they were caught. Oh...and by the way, these fisherman were allowed to use bait!

    As I said above about the "percieved impact" of catch and release fishing to ESA listed steelhead...I wish to be presumed innocent until proven otherwise.
     
  7. kjsteelhead

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    O.K. It's settled then. We'll all show up on the Skagit on April 20th to pretend to fish.
    Charles in in charge of the beer.
    Blacktail Hunter is in charge of the black-masked vandals going after all of the Discovery Pass Required signs.

    Hey Ed, can we get those T-shirts tie-dyed?
     
  8. TallFlyGuy

    TallFlyGuy Adipossessed!

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    This is good stuff WW! These kind of facts are the "ammo" we need! These top major factors maybe should be summarized and put on the website so it is the first thing people see. Maybe put on a pamphlet or brochure to pass out to others. Maybe even in a question answer style or format. "Does catch and release fishing hurt the native fish in our rivers?.... According to a study done by the NFS.....
     
  9. _WW_

    _WW_ Fishes with Wolves

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    So....I'm looking up the list of Commission members and what do I find?
    One of them is pratically my neighbor! Lot's of fisherman probably know the guy...Larry Carpenter
    http://wdfw.wa.gov/commission/members.html
     
  10. KerryS

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    Bought a boat from him. Your buddy Kim worked for him for awhile.
     
  11. freestoneangler

    freestoneangler Not to be confused with Freestone

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    I wondered about that too. I heard the same thing, that so long as no hook was attached, you're OK -- then someone else said no, not true. I just need some flowing water to practice spey casting and tie a nice red fluff of yarn on the end to see where I'm landing. I need to contact WDFW myself and get the scoop.
     
  12. Ed Call

    Ed Call Mumbling Moderator Staff Member

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    You guys are pretty cool. Who's making breakfast? Where can I park my rig while sleeping in the back?
     
  13. Salmo_g

    Salmo_g Active Member

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    Mumbles,

    Because the Occupy Skagit clique is so cool, we'll first need to debate and vote on whether to invite you or not. However, if you prepare killer breakfasts, that could significantly improve your chances, along with single malt snacks in the afternoon.

    Sg
     
  14. Ed Call

    Ed Call Mumbling Moderator Staff Member

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    Salmo_g, you sir, are not the boss of me. However,you shall always be welcome to share my breakfast or flask.
     
  15. Jason Rolfe

    Jason Rolfe Wanderer

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    I'll just want to say: I can make a mean old-fashioned.

    J