Pickup truck disappointment

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  1. GAT

    GAT Dumbfounded

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    The large price of autos and pickups is why you see a lot of TV ads that are pushing a lease for the vehicle. If you plan to buy the rig the monthly payments are huge. If you lease it, not so much... but you're basically renting it.
     
  2. Itchy Dog

    Itchy Dog Some call me Kirk Werner

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    Yep, everything got bigger. Toyota bumped up the size of the Tacomas and Tundras over the past few years as well. The current generation of Toyota Tacomas are a mid size I guess you might call them. I have no idea what sort of mpg they get, but certainly better than the older Tacos like my 2003 which gets 16-18 no matter what.
     
  3. Billy McFly

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    I picked up a 2001 Ford F150 Club Cab 4X4 with te off road package with 60,000 mi for $11K. Its a great truck and does everything I need. I wouldn't buy a new truck. There are deals in the used market if you take you time.

    I should add that this is not my daily driver. I have a Subaru Forester that I use most of the time. I have the canopy of this truck set up as a 1-man camper that I have used for skiing and fishing. Otherwise I use it for the occasional dump or homecenter run.
     
  4. Jerry Daschofsky

    Jerry Daschofsky Moderator Staff Member

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    Ive, what I'm doing now is going through and totally renovating my old 95 pickup (custom ordered, so have put all the miles on it). It's paid for, and for a few thousand she'll be back into good shape (not new, but mechanically sound).

    I'm also in process of looking at another K5 Blazer (I've always had one, since I was 16), been 3 years since I've last had one for a drive around rig and am having withdrawals. I'm going to get an older model, worse gas mileage but no electronics thank God. I'm going to restore to new, frame up. I can do a big majority of the work myself. But will take my time and rip it apart in my garage. Then I'll have a new rig, for thousands less then new, better built to boot, and will run for years as well.
     
  5. Krusty

    Krusty Krusty Old Effer

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    I've got a 2007 Tacoma V6 thst gets about 18 in town and maybe 22 mpg on the open road. Of course it's a 4X4 because in snow country, there's few vehicles worse than a two wheel drive pickup.....plus some of the mountain lakes I visit you need 4x4 in the dead of summer to get in and out.
     
  6. cabezon

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    I appreciate the skills that some of you have with restoring older vehicles; I have neither the skills nor the time. But what I read in Ive's post in an indictment of the car industry in the U.S. Based on the multiple replies, there is a market for a smaller truck, which has good mileage, and doesn't bust the bank. And here I thought in a consumer culture, retailers would be eager to provide something that a segment of the American market wants. And to satisfy that market they could either a) import some of the vehicles that they already manufacturer in other countries or b) upgrade some of their classic models that fit this niche. Hmmm, perhaps my understanding of capitalism is not as deep as I thought.....

    Steve
     
  7. Old Man

    Old Man Just an Old Man

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    I can remember now that in my early 30's when you bought a car/truck. You could work on it when it needed a tuneup or replacing a muffler or a "U" joint. Now a day's with these new cars you need almost a college degree to work on one.

    I lift the hood on these newer cars and just shake my head and close it up. I am lost if I need something fixed. To many sensors for one to figure out with out a computer to help. The auto shops get my business now.
     
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  8. IveofIone

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    Jerry, I am kinda in the same place as you-I custom ordered my '94 Ram and have put 135,000 miles on it since. But unlike yours nothing needs rebuilding or repair since it is still in excellent condition except for aging paint. I also had a canopy custom built for it which is 6'' higher than the cab and is outfitted with a full camping package that is very comfortable. It still delivers mileage within the 13-17 range on the window sticker and has never used oil thanks to a steady diet of Mobil 1 since it was new. I'll probably take it on my grand tour of Montana streams this year and have few qualms about it's dependability. In 19 years it has used a fuel pump and a starter.

    But it is 2WD and as such it spends about 4 months of every year in the barn while the Explorer and van get the winter duty. The combined age of the truck and Explorer is 32 years and I would just like to get rid of both and replace them with an economical new AWD/4WD truck and have 2 brand new rigs. I drove the new Nissan Frontier and liked it's simplicity but 4WD can only be had with the V-6 and that gets less mileage than a new full sized Ram or Ford V-6. Obviously there is a lot of room for improvement there. And when they do make mileage improvements like everyone is advertising right now, all too often they are just gaming the EPA test and actual mileage bears little resemblance to the EPA numbers.

    Another trick that is being employed to scam people regarding gas mileage is the mileage readout on the onboard computer. Almost all new cars have this feature and lazy journalist that regularly report on cars have resorted to using this figure as gospel when quoting gas mileage numbers. In most cases those things are wildly optomistic and your actual mileage when hand recorded from the odometer and gas pump will vary considerably and will almost always be lower. On my new van the computer readout is rarely within 2mpg of the actual mileage. Do the math for a month or two and you'll see what I mean.

    Finally, the new Global Ranger is one of the most awarded trucks on the planet and would be an excellent rig with a 2.5L turbo diesel. But it's introduction into this country would put a serious dent in the sales of the bloated F-150's. Just as Ram has announced the new 1500 with a 3.0L Turbo Diesel coming this summer, someone will also jump into the void created by the loss of the smaller trucks. Whoever gets there first will run the table for awhile until the others catch up. I just hope it isn't the Chinese.

    Ive
     
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    Pretty much the perfect small pick up. The Generation before was great too, but the I always had issues with the sit on the floor seating position.

    I've owned two rangers and an s10. All were decent, but I bought all three because I couldn't afford a Tacoma. My 4cyl ranger was dangerously slow, but I loved the 28mpg.
     
  10. Richard Olmstead

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    Gene, I hear ya about turning trucks interiors into cars. In 2008, I traded in my 1993 Toyota 4WD pickup with ca. 225,000 miles on it for a new 2008 model. Gosh, it's comfy to drive, but the whole thing is bigger and it's all in the cab; the bed is actually a couple inches shorter than my '93 was. For what it's worth, my '93 had a 4 cylinder engine and my new one has the V6; they both get about the same mileage.

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    Had a 93 Ford Ranger xtended cab, V-6 Manual, 20 in city 25-27 on Hwy. Bought used with 40,000. Had very little trouble with it, a hose here and there broke down after 100,000 but no major $$$ problems. Loved it.... it was ok with first child but when the second came it was bye bye time. Pre-no kids and dating the now wife I had a 71 3/4 ton GMC V-8 350 Gas guzzler (10-12 in city and 15-16 on Hwy). I could sit on the edge of the fender, place my feet at each end of engine and work on it, everything was simple, even changing the oil and access to sparkplugs, starter, etc w/o a thousand wires in your way. That baby was a tough dude but also demanded some TLC @ times. Hated changing the brakes on that, and buying tires...:eek: ouch!

    I hate lifting the hoods on our cars now.....Cant do much with them, seems like you have to remove four parts and disconnect 30 wires to get to the part that needs replacing.....plus you might need that frickin special tool too:mad:
     
  12. weiliwen

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    I'm even more old-school, but I've owned a series of Datsun 620 pickups, from the late '70's. Datsun/Nissan, up through about 1990, was the perfect size for me. My '78 had skinny tires, which actually worked great in the snow (if I had a couple bags of sand in back), because they seemed to dig through to the road surface better than wider tires. I could fix anything on the truck, including rebuilding the engine, because there were essentially no electronics on it. And it was actually pretty quick, able to keep up with the boy racers and able to chirp the tires in 2nd gear. Ah, those were the days.
     
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  13. Dipnet

    Dipnet The wanted posters say Tim Hartman

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    I still miss my '83 Nissan 4x4. Bought it brand new. It was standard cab with a full 8' bed and a Brahma canopy. It was a pretty anemic 4-cylinder but got good gas mileage and I could sleep in the back with lots of room. It made lots of trips into the mountains as I was really into climbing during those years. Drove that sucker until 1997 when I bought a '95 V6 Nissan 4x4 with 29K on it.

    I'm still drivin' the '95. It's an extended cab (which means you can throw a few bags of groceries back there but not much else) and a 6' bed. Even with the shorter bed it's comfortable for sleeping under the cap as I'm only 5'10". With currently 126K on this rig is still looks like new and runs the same. I do get some sh** from friends who own Duramax and Cummins about owning a Japanese truck (although it was assembled in Smyrna, Tennessee) but they get a bit quieter when I ask them about maintenance costs.

    I've occasionally gotten a wild hair to get a new truck such as a Silverado or Ford but then I look at the prices and think "Why the hell would I want to reduce the national debt by 10% by buying this rig???" :eek:

    My truck has been long tricked out just as I like and it's been long paid for. It gets me from here to there and back again and runs well. I might just keep it until it rusts into the ground! :)
     
  14. Jeff Dodd

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    I will be be helping a friend sell his 1969(?) F100 4x4 here soon. Cheap and pretty ugly but in great mechanical condition. More of a local dump run or stump pulling truck, but for under 2k, it leaves lots of $ for improvements!
     
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    Ford sport trac. Win.