Sad post re Kaufmann Streamborn

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  1. Old Man

    Old Man Just an Old Man

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    The shop in general closed their doors. I just can't hang out on a web page and bull shit with the owner.
     
  2. troutramp

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    my condolences to those of you that frequented Kauffmans and will be missing them. I had been in there only a handfull of times, but found the place well decorated and stocked to the hilt. Of course that was several years ago. I know what its like to lose a community resource " a genuine fly shop" is a community resource, and the loss of these shops does not bode well for the industry. An industry rep that I know told me that over 30% of the fly shops in his area had closed down, and that was over a year ago. Look at all the shops back east that have shut down and the Reno fly shop. all gone.............
     
  3. Old Man

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    It pays to live in a Trout rich state. The fly shops 9in Montana and in my area all do a half way good business. Slow in the winter time but busy in the warm months.
     
  4. gt

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    i have only been into one MT fly shop that i would consider a junior sized trout focused kaufmans. the rest of'um are botiques, sort of like the bozeman angler. virtually everyone i have gone into carries tons of pretied flies at significant cost, but next no materials for the travelling anglers. of course, you have to figure out your business model to be successful and those are the things that sell like hot cakes, more power to'um but not my cup of tea.

    and you have to remember, kaufmans didn't think of trout as the only flyfishing species worth looking into. ever talk with jerry about their trips?? anything that swims was ok at kaufmans and they carried what you needed to make the adventure a success. that part of losing this business is going to be very difficult to replace without shopping via the internet.

    then you couple all of this 'stuff' with employees who knew you by name, had actually travelled to many of these locations and knew the inside scoop, and you had a business model under randall that was astonishing. then along came lance.....................
     
  5. Jergens

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    You must not have been in to many shops in Montana, and in fact shops like the Bozeman Angler are more so the exception out here. Hit up Troutfitters in Bozeman of Greater Yellowstone Fly Fishers in 4 corners. Also check out Frontier Angler's in Dillon. Frontier and GYF are very Kaufmann's like (when kman's were in their prime) and focus on the local trout, but also have info for all over the world. The big difference I notice between these shops and K-mans was customer service, it was a 50% chance on getting talked to at the downtown kman store when I went in there, and the shops in MT treat you like you've been in there all the time. It sucks to see fly shops go out, especially K-mans (I too remember drooling over there catalog before the internets, and I have friends who worked in their Tigard store), but it should serve as a good reminder to support your local shop when you can.
     
  6. Kevin J. Burnham

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    I agree with you Joe. There are some great shops there. I remember fishing the Ford one day right after I got out of H.S. . I fished it most of the day catching only a couple. I was surprised to see a rig parked at the big spring. I watched at afar as this guy caught fish after fish. Later that day I ran into the guy. It was Randall. We talked and he asked how I was doing. I told him not good and he said here take a couple of these. The were big black carpenter ants. I thanked him and proceeded to crush fish. Thank you Randall !!!!
     
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    After reading this thread I feel the need to speak out about this subject.

    1) As a former employee of Kaufmann's, it is sad to see that they have closed their doors after 41 years of service in the flyfishing industry.
    2) The staff at Kaufmann's were some of the best in the business - some were rough around the edges and not the most professional by today's standards of customer service. Don't judge a book by it's cover. Unless you knew them on a personal level, you do not really know what they are like at all.
    3) To this day, I am still friends with Randall and have been for over 20 years; if you knew him, you would know that he would do just about anything for you.
    4) They did not treat their emploiyee's poorly. I will say that they had some unorthodox methods of running a business, but they were not a bad company to work for at all and offered some nice perks for anyone who appreciates fly fishing.
    5) More than anything, I sincerely hope Lance and his family are able to work thru whatever it is that has resulted in the closure of Streamborn.
     
  8. miyawaki

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    After closing up my freelance ad agency in 2003 and going to work at Patrick's to find out if I would like turning my avocation, flyfishing, into my vocation, I received a call from Ryan Petzold at Kaufmann's. I interviewed with Randall and when I returned to the shop three hours later, Dennis Worley and Ryan were wondering what the hell happened? Turns out, Randall and I were close to the same age and simply spent three hours reliving our hippie days. What a hoot! When I went to work at both the Bellevue and downtown stores, I was treated to some of the awesomely funny stories of all big names in NW flyfishing that worked for Randall and Lance throughout the years. A book should be written.

    I learned an awful lot from Bob Aid, Dennis, Ryan, Blair Alexander, Gary Thompson, and Randy down in Tigard. I owe a lot of what I know now to Kmann and I, for one, will miss them.

    Leland.
     
  9. John Wallace

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    I've known Bob Aid for along time. He help me when I was in my teen's. He is a great guy! I'm sure he will pop up some where. Good luck to all!!!
     
  10. Buck

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    I loved the print catalog. I used to fall asleep many a night reading about the trips they offered, checking out flies and accessories, and dreaming of having some of those high-end rods and reels.
     
  11. Jake H

    Jake H Banned or Parked

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    You on the other hand, are the epitome of grace and class and a model for flyfishers young and old.
     
  12. JesseC

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    Here, Here. Thanks for sharing.

    I don't go into a fly shop to have my feelings cared for. I'd rather have a couple of guys who are rough around the edges, but willing to help out a guy who doesn't know what he's doing (that's me). I used to go into the Kmans downtown often, up until they started having inventory issues. The guys in there were always above and beyond helpful.

    They'll be missed.

    +1 for the big box
    -1 for the little guys.
     
  13. David Loy

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    Around long before all the other shops in the Seattle/Bellevue area (except Patricks), Kaufmanns was the Nordstrom of fly shops. If it wasn't in stock, they would ship it up from Tigard and often have it the next day. Materials were fresh. Dennis was a bit prickly but I got along with him just fine and was treated well by all of the employees. We are blessed with many fine shops today and I appreciate them all, but I will miss Kaufmanns still.
     
  14. Hal Eckert

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    Sorry to hear. Got all my fly tying materials from them mail order for years, and their steelhead fly tying kit in 1980 which got me started on that species. Bet I have some of their catalogues in my FF magazine stack. Was always a highlight of the winter getting their new catalogue in the mail and determining what I needed. Wish I would have had the time a year ago when I was in Seattle on business to visit the store, but no time on that trip out to Yakima and back in two days. Was just looking at Randalls Nymph fly tying book last week. Sadly, losing shops out here in the mid west also.

    HE
     
  15. Bill Aubrey

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    Great post, Jake.