Sage and Simms at Costco?

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  1. Jerry Daschofsky

    Jerry Daschofsky Moderator Staff Member

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    I can't say which companies did it, insider info on my part from companies I deliver to. But know a few companies (bigger retailers) that will sign a contract and buy from a smaller company. Once it figures out where they are getting the smaller companies products from, they then turn around, won't renew contract, and go directly to the source and have a similar but lesser quality item produced under thier flagship name. Very interesting how the circle works. And have watched companies that produce parts for a bigger company that have figured out same thing, then bought lesser quality parts and packaged product together under the banner "I've produced products for X company, so buy from me now at a lesser price". When they have no real world experience in the product, just know how to make a certain piece (though critical for the product) and assemble it. Not illegal, just funny to see. Then selling a lesser product at a lesser price but selling it "built in same factory as". Which, isn't a lie, just isn't the total truth. I've seen some systems get returned to the manufacturers for repairs (a couple companies would do repair on other brands systems, since they actually designed them and can rework them and still make money off non warranty repairs), and saw how cheaply made the system was inside compared the "original". It doesn't always hold true. I do know some companies who've made a crappy product, and someone else heads overseas and has a similar crappy product produced. So it happens where you get the same product coming from any company. But know some personally that the original is EXTREMELY well built, where the knock off is pure crap.
     
  2. Brady Burmeister

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    So sad. Capitalism is such a great system when carried out with integrity, passion, and respect. I suppose any system backfires when insatiable greed becomes the primary factor.
     
  3. John Hicks

    John Hicks Owner and operator of Sea Run Pursuits

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    Here is my two cents. I buy my fly fishing gear from local shops. I like supporting local businesses. I will not however berate Cosco for selling sage or simms. WTF.. I really doubt that there are a single one of us that does not shop at Walmart, Costco, McDonalds etc etc. All these companies go to a manufacturer and pretty much dictate what they are going to buy a product for. This reduction in price that they buy from the manufacturer gets handed on to the consumer. I don't agree with it but it is what it is. The bottom line is, we are all guilty of wanting a quality product for less than what it is possible to get it at our locally owned store.
     
  4. generic

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    Sad but true. Well put John. :thumb:

    Most "skate" around the topic, but that is what happens when capitalism goes wrong (as someone has already stated). However, I will continue to buy only from local shops regardless of the price.
     
  5. gearhead

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    does this mean the value of my waders and rod will go down, am i in a lesser class now.
     
  6. Mike T

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    Next they'll blame Somoli pirates.
     
  7. generic

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    How does a shipment go "missing"? "Hey Bob, did you deliver that shipment of Rods to Terry's Fly Shop?" "Yeah, but I got lost and it was getting late, so I just dropped it off at Costco."
     
  8. Jerry Daschofsky

    Jerry Daschofsky Moderator Staff Member

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    Very easy. For bulk shipments they sometimes use a fvreight forwarder. A palletized load has been known to be put in the wrong trailer and isn't discovered until its unloaded at wrond destination (or until product that's mismarked is picked up and found to be wrong product).

    In this scenerio the company acting as middlemen to get Costco the product may claim non redceipt to keep their buying status with Simms and Sage. In todays world its easier to bust them but there is always someone who thinks they can get away with murder.
     
  9. generic

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    So Jerry, it didn't get lost..."Bob" just delivered it via "under the table".
     
  10. Lugan

    Lugan Joe Streamer

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    Either Simms/Sage are lying, or Simms/Sage need to cease doing business with the distributor in question. In either case, Costco smells fishy to me. My opinion of them has dropped a few notches after reading this thread.
     
  11. generic

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    How could it not? This just in: Wal-mart buys out Costco. The new store is called, "Wastco".
     
  12. Dan Nelson

    Dan Nelson Hiker, Fisher, Writer, Bum

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    Just picked up a Z-axis at Costco. Only 10 left........
     
  14. Steve Call

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    A comment on the AnglingTrade article was that Simms and Sage should refuse to honor the warranties on purchases from other than authorized dealers. Let the buyers take their leaking waders or broken rods back to Costco and let Costco explain.
     
  15. Mike T

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    If I could get a hot dog and coke at my local fly shop I wouldn't have to go to Costco.