Sage One owners: Rio Gold or Rio Grand?

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  1. Rob Hardman

    Rob Hardman Active Member

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    Hey all,
    Picked up a Sage One 905-4 recently and think it deserves a shiny new floater for summer. Should I go for the half-weight heavier Grand? I'll be using in both stillwater and streams.
    Thoughts? First hand opinions?
    Thanks
    -Rob
     
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    shotgunner Anywhere ~ Anytime

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    I was surprised when reading the type script for the current RIO Grand.

    The RIO Grand is a full line size heavier than the industry standard, and features more weight distributed towards the front of the line to easily load faster action fly rods. The line has a short head that is easy to cast, and is built with "MaxCast" Technology, RIO's ultra-sophisticated line coating that actively repels water for higher floatation, longer casts and greater durability. The RIO Grand is the best choice of line for the modern, fast action fly rod.
     
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    Wow. I could have sworn when I read last week it said half-weight heavier. Maybe I was readin a description of it on a retailer website. Did this just change this year? Well what's the point in going a full size heavier? They're just marketing a 6wt Gold as a 5wt Grand?
     
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    Dan Nelson Hiker, Fisher, Writer, Bum

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    I've fished my ONE (509-4) for about two years now (I got it as a pre-production review rod), in six states and two Canadian provinces. I've used both Gold and Grand and absolutely prefer the GOLD for its presentation and touch.
     
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    shotgunner Anywhere ~ Anytime

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    In the past they were always listed as 1/2 weight over. It states weight distributed towards the front of the line and lines are rated by weight of first 30' not the entire WF - Head portion.. which is noramally over 40'. Possible the Grand taper & weight is still exact same one they've offered for years, I should write and ask. Just struck me as me as odd, was there a weight change ..or not.. I've had / and still fish several, fine lines that have treated me well.

    The taper of the Grand & Gold are certainly different.
     
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    I have been impressed with that line on several rods regarding wether fast or medium fast action rod...;)
     
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    Skysoldier Trout Hunter

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    Same here, I am currently using it on all of my 3-6wt rods :)
     
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    I have fished my 9' 5 wt one with the gold thus far. I am not crazy about it in close - it will do the job, but I just don't like the feel. I am tempted to upline it with a 6 wt gold line and see how that feels. Would be curious if others have tried that.

    I have the 8'6" 5 wt and the 691 as well. So far I tend to enjoy the action when I have uplined them by at least 1/2 wt, but I seem to cast them ok with their stated wt as well so who knows.
     
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    I own both.

    My experience is that the Gold line rolls out of the forward cast smoother and with less effort. In other words, it's takes less line speed and is much smoother casting. Very nice for drys and smaller nymphs. I like the Grand for short line nymphing and tossing bigger bugs. But it takes more aggressive strokes to deliver the line. Hence the "fast action" line designation. Both are awesome and have lasted for years.
     
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    rainbow My name is Mark Oberg

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    In my opinion , if you have to over line a rod to get the feel you want. Then I would choose a slower rod for the same acquired feel. I mean think about it.
     
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    Lugan Joe Streamer

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    Does anyone else think it is bizarre and a little maddening that the industry markets 6wt rods as 5wts, and 6wt lines as 5wt? Thanks Sage et.al., but I am experienced and smart enough to know what I want, so please label your products accurately according to AFTMA standards so that I can make purchasing decisions accurately: http://about-flyfishing.com/library/weekly/fly-line-grain-weights.html
     
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    Would someone weigh the first 30 ft of these lines and post the results here. Let's get some data from other than the box and website.

    AFTMA STANDARD FLY LINE WEIGHTS
    (grains per first 30 feet)
    Line Rating​
    Ideal Weight (grains)​
    Acceptable range (grains)​

    1wt​
    60​
    54-66​

    2wt​
    80​
    74-86​

    3wt​
    100​
    94-106​

    4wt​
    120​
    114-126​

    5wt​
    140​
    134-146​

    6wt​
    160​
    152-168​
     
  14. Rob Hardman

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    According to http://www.sexyloops.com/eric/database/rodtablesorted.php, the Sage One 905-4 ERN has been measured at 6.5 and 7.0 from two different submitters.
    Only one of my other rods is listed on that database; a Loop OptiStream 9.5" 7wt. It too has a higher ERN than it's rated weight at 8.3. (not nearly as off as the Sage)
    Wonder why rod manufacturers don't publish these numbers?
     
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    Think there are a couple of rod makers that use a grain window, not line weight, for labeling their rods. (cant remember who at this moment).
    Regarding the ern statistic....there are a lot of discrepencies in the findings, or perhaps there are a lot of descrepencies within the line of rods being evaluated. If you took one rod, and passed it around for evaluation to all the testers would they come out with the same numbers? Or would we have different findings among the testers? Right now from what I can tell is that you have several testers and they are testing their own samples. However I do have a 6 weight TCR and the erns ratings other TCR 6 weights have received rates it as a 7/8 weight which I believe to be true based from my experience. It is interesting for sure, but I would never buy a rod based on its statistical ratings...but by feel, and that is a personal thing.