Sage One owners: Rio Gold or Rio Grand?

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  1. shotgunner

    shotgunner Anywhere ~ Anytime

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    AFTMA is not dead.. but definetely standing much more on the side lines these days. Something I don't see changing.

    I did write to RIO, hopefully recieve a reply soon.
     
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  2. IHV2FSH

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    I really don't get the ratings and find that the action of the rod plays more of a roll that the numbers on it

    If you take a stiff 5wt fast action rod designed for distance and a soft 5wt slow action rod designed for presentation, two totally different rods, two totally different lines excel. The stiff 5wt rod will handle a much wider range of lines than the soft rod and handle lines that are weight forward including sink tips. Soft rod will like the weight spread out over the 30ft more evenly, like double taper lines. The rod designation almost becomes meaningless, at least for me anyways. I owned a 5wt Sage TCR and used a 7wt RIO Salmon/Steelhead line on it!
     
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    I have fished both. They seem to fish pretty equally up until about a 30' cast, then I much prefer the Grand as it loads the rod better IMHO. I can feel the load on the backcast better with the Grand, but the Gold is great as well!
     
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    The ONE is so stiff that you need an extra line up.

    It's a bit maddening, but I've wasted some cash buying the "right" line weight for the ONE only to find out that it won't even flex the rod without an insanely fast double haul presentation. One I stepped up a line weight it was great.
     
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  5. Dan Nelson

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    I think Jesse's findings compared to mine illustrate that the casting characterists of the caster have as much to do with line selection as the rod itself does. I found the GOLD's weight-accurate rating well suited to the ONE. However, Jesse seems to suggest overlining (or going with the GRAND) is the required route to take with the ONE.

    I tend to be an aggressive and strong caster (that is not to suggest I'm a great or even good caster -- just my style leads to fast tip / line speeds). On the other hand, my spouse HATES my ONE with a Gold line (she uses a Z-Axis of the same weight/length with the same GOLD WFF line). She has a more measured, smoother stroke with somewhat slower tip speeds/line speeds. When I overline the ONE with a 6 wt line, she is okay with it. But in that situation, I hate the ONE's stroke speed -- it feels sloppy and unbalanced to me.

    So my suggestion is to try different lines. To avoid the cost of buying multiple lines, ask your local fly shop if they have any reels/spools loaded with different lines you can try. Or hook up with others out on the water who would loan you a reel for a few casts. I have reels loaded with 5 wt Gold and 5 wt Grand and 6wt Gold (as well as 4 wt Gold and Grand -- and a couple 5 wt Orvis lines) I'd be happy to share if I'm out and about near you on any given day.
     
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    Real smooth way of saying I have a feminine casting stroke..... real smooth Dan.
     
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    I would normally describe my casting stroke as "amateur cubism" (all the pieces seem to be there, but sometimes they don't appear to fit together too well) rather than feminine or strong but....Hmmm....I'm no guitarist, but maybe he is saying you are Eric Clapton ("Slow Hand") and he is Eddie Van Halen ("Eruption"). Is that better? Both are good guitarists - and both prefer different guitars - but their styles are distinct.

    Alternatively, he might be saying you have a feminine casting stroke.
     
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    Recieved reply from RIO [thank's Chris]

    "Hi there,
    Yes indeed, there was a change this past season to the Grand, they are now a full line size heavier. Keep an eye out for the new RIO Perception lines which will be coming around July 1st, they have a non-stretch core and are a half size heavier, very nice casting lines. Please let me know if you have further questions or comments. Have a great day!
    Kind regards,
    Chris Andersen"

    Theres your answer Rob, great opp to be up front trialing RIO's brand new Perception. Somebodys gotta be the guinia pig! [jist/jest]

    Dan, good posting on #20. Interesting enough to note, a 5wt Gold is specd by RIO as 146gr @ 30'
     
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    Thanks everyone for the help and opinions, and to Shotgunner, for contacting Rio and posting the reply.
    I can't wait until July for the new "Perception" line to become available, so I think I'm gonna try the gold. If it doesn't work out, I've got a nice mid-flex 5wt Access that would like it I'm sure.
    -Rob
     
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    this is precisely the reason I wish that both line manufacturers would just label their lines by actual grain weight (1st 30') instead of "x"wt AND rod manufacturers would just label their rods with a grain weight.

    It just seems silly to me that a 5wt line is actually a 6wt line and a 5wt rod is actually a 6wt rod.

    I get it that it's all about marketing and 6wts don't sell as well as 5wts, but call it what it is (besides, then you could actually sell more 4wts that are really 5wts).
     
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  11. Dan Nelson

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    FYI: Just got a sample of the new Perception line. I really like it on my ONE -- loads just a bit better than the Gold on the stiff ONE. But I still prefer the Gold line on my 5wt Orvis H2 tip-flex.
     
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    Lines lines lines...so many choices , and so many configurations, different grain windows, head lengths, tapers, what is what? Then there are the rods?...it's a 6 weight rod, but houses the properties of a 7 or even 8 weight.

    I was experimenting with my 6 weight TCR. I have been using a 6 weight rio versi tip of lately on this rod, but for the hell of it I put on some 8 weight versi tips to the 6 weight runner....OMG! Houston we have a new Launch Code!
     
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    I've recently got the 9' One #5 and Rio Perception line and it's the best set-up I've ever cast. It's amazing in close or at a full line.
    I compared it with an SA Trout, Rio Gold and a Rio Grand, (older 1/2 weight+)
    All were good, but the Perception is much better IMHO.
     
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    Believe it or not, I just had the opportunity to use the Rio Grand(e) floating line on the Rio Grande River in Colorado. The RG headwater is about as broad as the Cedar River, some of the Upper Forks of the Snoqualmie, and even Oregon's Deschutes. My rod is a TFO Pro 6wt. I've had problems loading that rod for shorter casts, but this line, with its weight profile, made those waters very manageable. At the same time, I was able to make long casts when I needed to. Think of side stems flowing into the main and having to make a long reach cast into the stem and have the drift flow into the main. This was a very good line. It could also handle turning over both heavy and light leaders with reasonable presentation with big and small flies. I'm loving this floating line.
     
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    Kind of cool to see this thread come back up, as it was originally one of the first to draw my attention to this site when I decided to get a One over the winter, and was shopping for a line for it. After reading this discussion and a few others, I eventually decided to sign up for an account.

    Anyway, as I said, I got a brand new One in January, a 690-4, and for the winter, used the only 6wt line I had on it, a Wulff Ambush TTAM6F. It was...okay. Nothing too stunning, but I'd never been a fan of that line in the first place, so I tried not to pass judgement.

    This spring, while reel shopping for the One, I eventually got one (from this site, I think) that actually came spooled with WF6F Rio Gold. Paired with the One, it delivered long range accuracy in droves, provided the fly was light. I found myself comfortably fishing at 50-60 feet out without issues. The only significant drawback was that I was having trouble turning over large and/or heavy flies.

    In April, I actually won an online contest for my choice of any Rio line, and decided to go with a WF6F perception, and I've got to say, it's a match made in heaven. With the right leader, I can fish anything from a #18 BWO on a long greased mono leader, to a 5-6" articulated streamer on an extra fast sink poly leader...as close as 10 feet of line out to 50 or more, plus leader. I'm not usually one to say that gear can make you a better angler, but this is about as close as I'll get to a claim like that. With most of my rods, my comfort zone is from about 15-40 feet...I can stretch it out farther, but beyond that, I'm trading presentation and accuracy for distance at a very unfavorable exchange rate. With the One + Perception combo, I'm every bit as comfortable casting, presenting, mending, and fishing at 50-60 feet and farther as I am at 20.

    Do I need all of that distance all the time? Certainly not. But being able to (comfortably) reach that much farther without hesitation, whenever I need it...well...it's a valuable addition to my bag of tricks on the water.
     
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