Scuds

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  1. Keith Hixson

    Keith Hixson Active Member

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    Scuds vary in size. Size twelve through sixteen are the usual that are bought commercially but scuds can get up to size eight. Rocky Ford has fairly large scuds, so I tie my own and fish size 8 and 10 at the Ford. I believe I catch as many fish as anyone else. I have caught them on size 16 at Rocky Ford but the larger sizes seem to work better for me. Though I had friend that out fished me using a size 14 once. But do remember that with scuds, matching the size is important.
     
  2. GAT

    GAT Dumbfounded

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    I honestly don't use scuds much but evidently they work quite well on the Crooked River in Oregon.

    They are supposed to work great in some lakes ... so far, that hasn't held true for me.

    Dave Hughes claims that scuds should be tied on a straight shank or slightly curved shank hook because when the scuds swim around, they are not curved in the least. However, as Keith said, matching the size is probably more critical than hook design.
     
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  3. Olive bugger

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    Well, the game plan is to tie them on both types of hook, sizes from 10 to 18 starting with grey bodies. Will mix in a few tan patterns when I get the drift on how well they work for me and what seems to be best.
     
  4. Vladimir Steblina

    Vladimir Steblina Retired Forester...now fishing instead of working

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    Mine are green with brown hackle.

    Never used another color that worked or a curved hook. I had some grey scud flies, but they NEVER worked.

    I suspect that green thing I use is just close enough to match a whole mess of stuff. Most of the time they are probably taking it for something else than a scud.

    Trout have very small brains.....if it looks like tasty food they will probably eat it.
     
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  5. Olive bugger

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    I never understood why GIL'S MONSTER worked so well in Dry Falls either. Just about anything olive was somewhat successful.
     
  6. Keith Hixson

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    I have a fly I've used for over 40 years of fishing. One of my first flies I tied. It resembles a nyerges nymph. Olive with palmered brown hackle, I've caught tons of fish on that thing from Montana, Idaho, Oregon and Washington. My guess in size 10 and 12 it probably represents a scud of some sort. It looks somewhat similar to the Rickerts nymph in olive.
     
  7. dp

    dp ~El Pescador

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    additional note for fishing scuds at Rocky: make sure they are weighted and get to the bottom. dragging them on the bottom and occasionally being stopped by vegation is a god thing.
    Darce at Desert Angler in Ephrata has nice packages of scuds in his parking lot vending machine. Priced well too
     
  8. Olive bugger

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    I am going to presume that they are the correct size and color?
     
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    he has two sizes in a package plus his olive mini marabu leach - also productive.
     
  10. Olive bugger

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    I was thinking of making a trip over for the February get together.
    Might need to stop by for a howdy.

    Never having fished RF, a five weight with a sink tip or full floater?
     
  11. Keith Hixson

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    Al Moss who use to catch more than his fair share at Rocky Ford always used a sink tip, he had shorten the length of tip so he was only fishing a sink tip of about 4 or 5 ft. I have never used a sink tip. I am to cheap to cut down a sink tip just for Rocky Ford. He almost always out fished me by a few fish. So, maybe a short sink tip helps. I just use weighted flies.
    A five weight is fine for Rocky Ford.
     
  12. Olive bugger

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    Well, most of the fun is experimenting. So I am up for some fun.
    Thanks for the tips.

    Nice thing about Rocky Ford is that I can wear my boots and leave my waders in the car.
     
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    OB...seems there is a pretty successful scud pattern called the "Golden Shrimp" (pg 87) in Steve Raymond's book "Blue Upright"...says it works in lakes and estuaries...;)
     
  14. zen leecher aka bill w

    zen leecher aka bill w born to work, forced to fish

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    Is that the one he calls out a specific color code for the floss?
     
  15. FinLuver

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    "Golden Olive Rayon Floss"..."looked more gold than olive when dry"..."closely imitated the pale yellow-olive color of most real gammarids."

    It didn't spell out a "particular number or brand" that I could find.