Scuds

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  1. zen leecher aka bill w

    zen leecher aka bill w born to work, forced to fish

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    You need the Kamloops book then. It's in the two older editions but I don't know about the new one.
     
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    Is that one of Chan's or Raymond's book(s)??
     
  3. zen leecher aka bill w

    zen leecher aka bill w born to work, forced to fish

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    Circa 1960 Steve Raymond book.
     
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    Olive bugger Active Member

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    I have that book. Will dig it out and take a look. Thanks
     
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    Irafly Indi "Ira" Jones

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    Scuds are starting to show up in the throat samples of some of the fish I've taken out of Lone and last year a size 12 olive marabou micro leech with a short tail worked real well and I imagine it was being taken as a scud.

    As for the Ford, I use a clear intermediate line with a shortish leader for bug control. When I fish the Ford, I want my bug on the bottom so all my scuds for there are heavillllllly weighted.

    I've also done ok with scud patterns at Pass, DF, Sheridan and Roche.
     
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    Roper Idiot Savant

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    I sat in the water at Chopaka one afternoon and watched a fellow catch fish after fish along the weeds on the west side of the lake. I finally asked him what he was using...yup, a scud.
     
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    astrofisher Clear Skies

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    Another Rocky Ford - olive and pink.
     
  8. Bob Rankin

    Bob Rankin Chasing fur and fish every second I get :)

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    Love the scud. Ell lake used to be full of those, they would be all over my waders when I got out of my float tube! I wouldn't go to the Ford without some scuds.
     
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    Grayone Fishin' to the end, Oc.P

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  10. zen leecher aka bill w

    zen leecher aka bill w born to work, forced to fish

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    A lot of other scud colors work. I wouldn't get fixated on finding that specific color. Just my opinion.
     
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    I tried scuds several times at that lake for that same reason. Never had any luck. I did best there with chironomids or damsle nymphs.
     
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    Trapper Badovinac Author, Writer, Photographer

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    When I guided the Missouri River, scuds showed up in every sample I seined from the river. Below Holter Dam in the weeds, they were everywhere and made up a huge percentage of the biomass there.

    When we had high water years, the larger Gammarus was the predominant scud. In drought, thin water years, the Hyalella took over.

    I used to tie intricate patterns with shellbacks. I figured out a couple of things. One, when the Gammarus starts dying it turns a reddish/orangeish color. I changed from tying them with olive dubbing to pink. I had clients who were newbies to fly fishing and they'd get lots of hook ups and fish with this pattern. Second, the pattern had a better behavior and was more productive without the shellback. Third, you have to weight it and get it down in the water column.

    Here's the recipe for the ones I tie.

    When the Hyalella took over, I switched over to a smaller (18 - 20s) hook and dubbed with with a iridescent golden dubbing.

    Trapper
     
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    I am just naturally curious. I will take a gander at the book while I wait for Momma at the doctors this morning. I bought some dubbing while I was over at Orvis last week. It is a gray/bluish color. Looked good for scuds. Will try that also. One of the great things about tying flies is you can play around with the colors, materials and hooks.

    I just ordered a fly box for the scuds so I can pick and choose and those that work, well, they will get more work.

    I really appreciate all the helpful info you guys have sent my way.
    If I ever figure out how to post pictures on this clunker computer, I will share.
     
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    Bob Rankin Chasing fur and fish every second I get :)

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    Back in the day that was a great little lake. The scuds were so thick by the boat put in. That is we're I would fish, just kicking around in my tube. Ell was always my last stop on my drive back to the coast( when I still lived there).
     
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    Thanks, That looks good enough for me to eat.