Swivels for chironomid fishing?

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  1. Nick Clayton

    Nick Clayton Active Member

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    Wait, so you're trying to tell me that a metal swivel is going to sink faster than a chunk of mono? Well naturally.

    Now, perform the same experiment with a size 12 chironomid tied with a tungsten bead, or any other material probably for that matter. That's where I can't picture the swivel making a difference in the sink rate.


     
  2. pond monkey

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    I like barrel swivels too for deep( 15-24 feet range).... not tiny though...I use #10 size, the bigger #7 are getting too heavy making casting more of a nuisace....they weigh about .2 of a gram about the same as a standard bead head chronnie.... so its like using two flies but its legal in BC.....plus they don't tangle in the landing net ever and they won't get hooked in an anchor line...
    I can't prove that fish never hit a swivel but even without a swivel bites can light anyway when fish are extra weary or just not being very aggressive...
     
  3. Jonnytutu

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    Ira,

    you're right, two tungsten beads will sink much faster, if sink rate is the only component then a swivel is not needed. But personally, and maybe my casting needs some work, when flinging leaders around 20ft or more the swivel definitely helps my casting with the leader turning over more easily. Otherwise throwing a looong leader with a weight at the end generally ends up in the back of my head.....which sucks for me.

    Fin
     
  4. Irafly

    Irafly Indi "Ira" Jones

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    The real great thing about those depths though is you don't need to cast far, unless you are really working your flies. That's where my switch rod comes in handy.
     
  5. Sinkline

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    I always fish a swivel and 2-patterns. In fact, the size and weight of the swivel along with the size of the bobber are key to the system working as well as possible.

    The important factor about using a swivel is not how quickly the patterns and leader sink, but rather how taught the leader is held once sunk. You will detect more bites, and hook more fish if the leader is taught and there is literally zero memory/coiling between the bobber and fly. Also, in high chop using a heavy swivel helps dampen the bobber's bounce and the pattern(s) on the other end appear to behave in a more natural manor.

    I use oblong bobbers with the narrow diameter end facing down and the peg down as well. I use a swivel that is heavy enough to stand the bobber upright on the surface. Even the lightest of bites is more easily identified with a taught system and you will hook fish that you would not even know "licked" your pattern otherwise.

    Using a larger heavy swivel also has the benefit of detouring fish from mistaking the swivel as pupa.

    In Oregon you cannot use a swivel system in fly fishing only waters by law (per conversation with OSP), but all other waters it's legal to use this system.


    Randy
     
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  6. IveofIone

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    Randy, you had us going there for awhile with your 'taught' leaders! I was afraid I was going to have to start teaching my leaders something!!

    Ive
     
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  7. Jim Wallace

    Jim Wallace Smells like low tide.

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    Swivels...Oh my gawd! Weren't bobbers enough of a foray into the gray zone already? This chironomid fishing is getting to resemble fishing with a single Pautskie's Ball 'O Fire on a size 14 hook dangled 3 feet beneath a swivel on 2# test, with a small slip sinker above the swivel and a slip bobber with a bobber stop.
    I actually committed such crimes with my Fenwick ff80 and a small closed faced spinning reel.:eek: Back in the mid-60's. I think the statute of imitations for such violations is long past, but in my defense, I will say that I did often employ the hand-twist retrieve.
     
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  8. Greg Armstrong

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    I preferred open face spinning reels back then Jim. In my case, I found that a Mitchell 300 was the perfect compliment to that deadly combo!
    Sometimes we'd substitute the egg hook with a Wright & McGill snelled worm hook with TWO salmon eggs at once - to get the big ones.
    If I remember correctly, Pautzke's motto was; "Soft - But Satisfying"

    Pautzkes "Balls of Fire" story... http://www.pautzke.com/pautzke_egg.php
     
  9. Peyton00

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    "fly" fishing has come a long ways. It is nice that we can run in the 'same circles' even when GEAR fishing with a fly rod... chironomids, wet flies etc. Fly fishing is a great COMMUNITY!
     
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  10. Sinkline

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    Ooopps, taut, taught, tawwt, tot..., something like that. :)


    Randy
     
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  11. Olive bugger

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    Gee. I was considering taking up chironomid fishing but after reading this thread, I am not certain that I am smart enough to master it.
     
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  12. generic

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    Forget this chironomid stuff, I'm not smart enough for it. Nope... I'm switching over to nightcrawlers and marshmallows.
     
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  13. Olive bugger

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    I do not have a pattern for tying marshmallows. Guess I am sunk there also.
     
  14. generic

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    But you have one for a nightcrawler?! I have to see that! You might be on to something there.
     
  15. Olive bugger

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    I do not have a picture of it, but it is a strip of red Chenille with a burgandy thread band in the middle.