The Earth Is Bleeding...

Discussion in 'Fly Fishing Forum' started by dryflylarry, May 14, 2010.

  1. Be Jofus G

    Be Jofus G Banned or Parked

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    Yeah, looks like it's going to rip right through the South fla flats and the keys. It'll probably toast the gulf shallows as well right when the waters warm enough for the bonefish to move out of it's path. This is going to suck!!! Looks like it's time to overpay for hawaii again this year. :beathead: did i mention this sucks?
     
  2. FE427TP

    FE427TP The Great Sage

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    Reading comprehension and logic. He claims African-American; A hyphenated way of being ashamed of being American regardless of race while being 1/2 Caucasian, 1/4 Kenyan, and 1/4 Arab, I don't know where he was born and at this point it is mostly irrelevant but wonder why he has spent 10 million dollars in attorney fees to hide all his records including who paid for his college education where he "chose to hang out with marxist professors" in his words, from public view and has used multiple social security numbers, unlike most other presidential candidates. Regardless of where he was born he was elected President and has responsibilities to act like one. So lets see, you've insinuated I'm a homosexual, a child molester, birther and Hitler now. I guess if you have to use emotion and name calling for your argument you might as well show off your huge E-penis while you're at it.

    Regardless he was elected a year and a half ago to fix these problems not sit back and whine like a 8 year old pointing his finger and blaming everyone else but him (no offense) for his inability to do his job, even though he has a congress full of his own party.

    Again, reading comprehension, or sorry about using too many big words. The Chinese and Russians want to drill in the Gulf of Mexico, the Chinese sell us toys with unacceptably high too much lead in them (phonetically sounds like led instead of leed), and pictures of how "safe" they work are well known as jokes for anyone who has been through safety meetings. The Russians have the safety protocols that brought us, the Kursk, and Chernobyl, and reportedly 5 natural gas wells that they had to nuke to close up. They have much lower safety standards than we do, and them drill in the gulf will be a much bigger mistake than us drilling there.

    So is that you're way of it being too hard to, but still admitting I'm right again? You're going to make me blush

    Hmmm lets see BP has hired over 20,000 people and spent over $1,000,000,000 so far, yeah I can see how a liberal confused by so many 0's looking like O's can't figure this out and would think it's still open to question whether they are going to take any responsibility for this. I can also see how liberals don't wink at Obama spending three times as much money a day on Govt programs as Bush did for the wars in the Middle East

    Since you are not involved in the industry at all, and I work around people who's whole job is to find safety issues 760 safety violations can be REALLY easy to rack up, especially for someone who's job is to find or think of problems. A safety violation in this instance does not mean it's related to the equipment handling the product either. It could be as simple as the wrong stickers being on the face of a electrical panel. Redundant paperwork not filled out completely and other stuff that while required has no affect on the safety of the operation and violations that most people have at their work and probably even their home.

    And sorry to confuse you with some math but he is 100% correct. Lets try to do some of the math ok?
    Surface area of the gulf of mexico is 579,153 square miles www.worldatlas.com/aatlas/infopage/gulfofmexico.htm, to help you keep up, say 575,000 miles of surface area.
    Average depth is 5297 feet (hope you don't mind that this info comes from the EPA http://www.epa.gov/gmpo/about/facts.html, I know Bush used to be in charge of them, and they might have decided to burn puppies to stop global cooling, then the hole in the ozone layer, then warming, then flooding from the polar ice caps melting, then climate change, etc... since it's bullshit and they need a new catch phrase to keep the "shiny new" for simple minds while falsifying the size of the Gulf of Mexico in anticipation of leaking oil to poison fishermen and stop the fishing industry for their own nefarious gain like the rest of us "Birthing, Hitler loving(oh wait Hitler was a progressive socialist not a conservative oops) child molesting, teabeagging homosexuals (oh wait homosexuals usually avoid the conservative end of the political spectrum)" but lets trust them anyway for this mental exercise.
    We'll go with 1 mile deep at 5280' so... sorry it gets hard here 575,000 multiplied by 1 is *drumroll* 575,000 cubic miles of ocean in the Gulf of Mexico. Still keeping up?
    1 cubic mile is... 5,280 multiplied by 5,280 multiplied AGAIN by 5,280 I hope your libdexia is keeping up that is 147,197,952,000 cubic feet, *FUN FACT* (place 1 dollar in each cubic foot of this one mile of 575,000 of them in the Gulf of Mexico and you have less than the money Obama has spent us into debt in "stimulus money" so far this year, and 1/6 the best case scenario guess for the cost of 5 years of health care coverage).
    Each one of the 147,197,952,000 cubic feet holds 7.48 gallons http://www.bestfish.com/convert.html for a total of 1,101,187,878,912 gallons per cubic mile.
    Now since Larry is so passionate about this subject we'll use his estimate in post 65 http://www.washingtonflyfishing.com/board/showthread.php/68392-The-Earth-Is-Bleeding?p=538710#post538710for the leak at 2.5 million gallons a day since you guys jump at every updated worst case estimate as gospel truth of what it actually is, this is a middle of the road estimate.
    1,101,187,878,912 divided by (2.5 million multiplied by the number of days this has been leaking) equals... sorry i should break that down more for you...
    This has been leaking for 44 days so far so 44 multiplied by 2.5 million equals 110,000,000 gallons so far
    110,000,000gallons occupies 14,703,916 cubic feet of the 1,101,187,878,912 in one of the 575,000 cubic miles of the gulf.
    .00005 percent of 1 cubic mile (if I'm wrong please someone correct me by changing the number of zero's after the decimal point to the correct spot), 1 of the 575,000 miles of the Gulf of Mexico... Do you realize that yes the oil is a VERY small percentage of the volume of the gulf yet or were there too many numbers for you to keep up?


    So 9 people of the 20,000 working on this can't handle the smell of the fumes from crude oil... My God what kind of coverup are they committing here, someone needs to launch a congressional inquiry and write a law requiring crude oil to not smell bad so that it doesn't discriminate against these people... hopefully the evil "hitler loving(oops Hitler came from the next progression of the Democratic party) tea bagging homosexual, child molesting, Birther Republicans (hope I got all your insults covered since you are lumping them together) don't try to block the Freedom Upon Cold Kleanup Yon Oceans Under diress Act

    Anxiously anticipating the next round of degrading childish insults you or "mr bad example" throw my way :)
    I hope you don't mind Mr. Bad Example, but I think sending me private messages stating "<removed by request>" are a violation of the rules...

    DrFlyLarry, I'm not sure which browser you use, I use FireFox and it has an Addon called AdBlock Plus http://adblockplus.org/en/which will essentially eliminates most advertisements you find on websites. It in combination with FireFox makes for in my opinion a faster web browsing experience. Just a heads up if you are interested.
     
  3. Lugan

    Lugan Joe Streamer

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    You're all correct. No, really. Now can we lock this bleeding...err, bloody thread? Chris?
     
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    Griswald a.k.a. Griswald

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    Previous comments removed after thinking about it.

    This is what really matters:

    The environment does not care about politics.
     
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    Paul Huffman Lagging economic indicator

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    Leave it open. I want to hear more from that truck engine head. This is amusing.

    Did we force you to read it?
     
  6. Gary Thompson

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    Popcorn anyone?
     
  7. Be Jofus G

    Be Jofus G Banned or Parked

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    There is a button that lets you privatly report offensive posts for removal. :beathead: What's with the public censors decidin what others should read. Lugan, chill man. Don't sweat the small stuff. Report the post to chris and he'll remove it if it's offensive. Scoones is cool like that.

    Any way, would any of the Bios here know anything about bonefish spawning grounds? Does it look like they will get hit with oil? I'm guessing since they dig the shallow water and oil floats, it could pretty much destroy flats fishing down there for a while.

    Also, are there bonefish in the philippines?
     
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    creekx spent spinner

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    This thread is entertaining, if nothing else.
     
  9. Lugan

    Lugan Joe Streamer

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  10. Gary Thompson

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    I don't know anything about bone fish spawning, but from what I've seen of the bone fish flats and mangrove swamps in the Bahamas.
    If that oil washes ashore during high tide those flats and swamps will be f--ked as far as fishing goes.
    Who would want to cast a line in that greasy mess.
     
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    Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
     
  12. Be Jofus G

    Be Jofus G Banned or Parked

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    fb, you have to run his post through a pimp translator for it to make sense. :rofl:

    also, mofo be chillin on this mutha fo free. Time ta' slap dat biach to da curb.. n'shit. Dats how a pimp gets paid.

     
  13. Lugan

    Lugan Joe Streamer

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    That's a good suggestion -- or maybe a bubba translator.

    This thread is proof that kids who weren't smart in school retain the same status in adulthood. It's impossible to be significantly upwardly mobile on IQ.
     
  14. Be Jofus G

    Be Jofus G Banned or Parked

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    nah, it's easy man. I just added 15 to my IQ of 30. Now I have an IQ of 72. :)
     
  15. Ed Call

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    FE427TP, your math may or may not be right about the cubic volume of the actual water involved with the oil. The problem with that failed logic is simple. If the surface is the area involved you can't use a two dimentional problem to translate into a three dimentional picutre. What I'm trying to say is if the bottom is covered with something you can fish all the area above and down to, but not including the bottom. This can be calculated in three dimensions to show the cubic area that you can work, play, fish, etc. When the surface is involved you have to consider, unless you have some secret submarine based fishing platform that I'd like to be a part of sometime, that you cannot use the two dimensional surface AND you cannot use the three dimensional area beneath that unusable surface. Manipulate the math, statistics and figures any way you wish to try to demonstrate your point. Your two dimensional perspective and calculations that make the area under the oil contaminated area seem to be fishable or useable area is just nonsense in my opinion. The 31% + of the fishing area closed is based on the surface area in which fishing vessels are not allowed to enter for fishing, and this area has been growing in percentage in the last month, not shrinking. I get that you think this is less of a problem than I, but I also get that you are not making nearly the valid points that you believe you are making. I think you are taking a minimizing approach, using statistics to show that is is not that bad and everyone is over reacting. I think you are so far off base it is laughable. The major damage to the Gulf, fishing industry, shorline, communities and the economic impact as a result of this accident cannot be denied.

    So now that siphoning is being done to one of BP's surface ships, how much oil is coming up that siphon? There is still a lot leaking too, but maybe the oil taken on board will show a better idea of the rate at which the oil has been leaking. Will the profits made from this oil be turned over to the industries, states and communities negatively impacted? Will the profits made be put into the coffers of BP?

    I also sent you a Private Message about Private Messages, just my two cents. Here is to more and rapid progress in the Gulf.