The Earth Is Bleeding...

Discussion in 'Fly Fishing Forum' started by dryflylarry, May 14, 2010.

  1. dryflylarry

    dryflylarry "Chasing Riseforms"

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    Geesus, is there something wrong with evaluating the situation before acting and putting bulldozers all over the beach or whatever?! Just because some politician stands on the beach with whatever news channel (oh, by the way FE, Fox is not a news channel) and wants to build a berm to protect his beach doesn't mean he knows wtf he's talking about.

    Kim, I agree with you regarding the beaches of Puget Sound being littered with rock bulkheads everywhere. I understand perfectly the problem. Back in my previous life before retiring (landscape architect), I designed a beach restoration project at Salsbury Point Park in Kitsap County. We removed 350' or so of a huge rock bulkhead with rocks as tall as you, excavated the beach, replace gravels, shoreline vegetation recontoured all to a natural beach. It has held up now to storms, tides, for about 15+ years now. It was a model project at the time for beach restoration in Puget Sound. Too bad more people don't study doing that. To give you an idea of how much 60 miles of waterfront is, is, if you are familiar with Kitsap County, that would pretty much equal 1/2 of all the shoreline in the county.
     
  2. FE427TP

    FE427TP The Great Sage

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    No sir, I agree with you it is prudent to evaluate the situation before as you say "putting bulldozers all over the beach" (again, not what had you read it, the article said they wanted to do) but that does not make it prudent to reject even getting the freely offered resources on the way to the same continent in case they end up needing them R.F.N.

    Your "non news channel" has a higher viewership than the other non news channels. I agree it's primarily a news related talk show channel, but Glenn Beck while being a a bit loony has lost 30% of his viewers and still has more people getting their 5:00 news from him than the Commie News Network, MSDNC, and HLN combined...
     
  3. Paul Huffman

    Paul Huffman Driven by irrational exuberance.

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    BP spills coffee:
     
  4. Paul Huffman

    Paul Huffman Driven by irrational exuberance.

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    I haven't heard of Davis Fleetwood before. Scary idea. Tony Haywood can say "BP will pay all legitimate claims", but what if BP is carved up, and those liabilities are separated from the assets? http://www.youtube.com/user/davisfleetwood or if bumped off today's video :
     
  5. Evan Burck

    Evan Burck Fudge Dragon

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    That's because most Americans are ignorant to facts, and just want sensationalism. All of the major TV news networks have lost all credibility, Fox just moreso than the others.

    And ratings do not equal quality.
     
  6. Go Fish

    Go Fish Language, its a virus

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    And of course BP will drag this out in court, when they go, as long as possible...
    they learned well from Nixxon/Exxon.
     
  7. Griswald

    Griswald a.k.a. Griswald

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    “We abuse land because we regard it as a commodity belonging to us. When we see land as a community to which we belong, we may begin to use it with love and respect.”
    - Aldo Leopold

    Think about it.

    Griswald
     
  8. Go Fish

    Go Fish Language, its a virus

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    Gris, that sounds like radical enviromental extremism propagated by those idiots
    that love nature and life.
     
  9. dryflylarry

    dryflylarry "Chasing Riseforms"

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    Latest Report on Oil Volume Leaking:

    "Researchers recently doubled estimates of how much oil has been flowing from the ruptured well, saying Thursday that up to 40,000 barrels -- or 1.7 million gallons -- a day may have leaked for weeks."

    That figures to 1166 gallons per minute. The numbers are "approaching" what I felt was the minimum flow based on pipe size and pressures. Sometimes it's not good to be right..... What a gusher ... Sad face.

    Can you imagine someone on the Puget Sound squirting their garden hose (average 5/8" hose at 5 gallons per minute) into the Sound but squirting oil all day long instead of water, for 54 days straight? Just think of the mess that would do....
     
  10. Paul Huffman

    Paul Huffman Driven by irrational exuberance.

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    Right on, Larry. This recent upgrade makes the Limbaugh/Spencer chart even more ludicrous. As you remember, it was based on 15000 barrels/day through May.
     
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    Ed Call Mumbling Moderator Staff Member

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    Gris, over Memorial Day weekend my family spend some time out at Twin Harbors State Park. This Leopold quote was on a large 6' x 4' sign marking the head of the trail leading through the woods, over the dunes and to the beach. My 6 year old read it, asked what abused, commodity and community meant in that quote. After a few minutes of telling her what those words meant she then proceeded to explain many reasons why she thought that made perfect sense. When did we stop being one with our world ecosystem? At that point we became nothing more than a parasitic infection.

    Thanks for reminding me of the quote and source.
     
  13. dryflylarry

    dryflylarry "Chasing Riseforms"

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    OK. So the new estimated "volume" of flow has been upgraded to between 35,000 barrels to 60,000 barrels per day. I'll go with the 60,000... that figures up to 1750 gallons per minute. Gee whiz, a 2-1/2" fire hose off a fire truck or hydrant can put out 500 gallons per minute. Gee, we "might" be approaching real numbers for the leak ...
     
  14. Bill Aubrey

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    Hey Guys, FE finally said something intelligent and impartial, although reading his posts I am convinced it was by accident. On June 10th, he posted "We at the lowest end of the economic food chain will ultimately be the ones paying for it." Unfortunately, he's right about that. In more ways than one. US Fish and Wildlife, for example, is rotating biologists through the Gulf ofr 14 daystraight/14 hours a day, from all over the east coast. So, in addition to that cost, they are not getting their other work completed, which costs us in $ and in projects 99.9% of us support. Watch our taxes pay for this thing.

    I just returned from South Carolina where they are already starting to get ready for the oil that is invariably coming. What a tragedy! And, it is coming out that several intentional decisions were made by BP to save time and money, any of which could have put the well in danger of blowing. Having spent 20 plus years in the Gulf, this is not a first. And let's not even get into the absolute lack of enforcement or oversight by the MMS or the watered down regulations after essentially 8-12 years of rule by Big Oil (Ever heard of Dick Cheney of Haliburton fame?) 12 years because FE's heroes were in power in Congress and had incapacitated Clinton with the BJ investigations.
     
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    FYI. Other than paying taxes and buying gas, this is the only thing I have seen yet that seemed a useful or meaningful way to help some folks down on the gulf. Vouched for by a local guide on another board. Let your conscience be your guide.

    http://www.plaqueminesflyguides.com/home.html