The fortune cookie has spoken.

Discussion in 'Fly Fishing Forum' started by DanielOcean, Jan 21, 2014.

  1. Ed Call

    Ed Call Mumbling Moderator Staff Member

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    Well then, go about the process right.
    What will you use the boat for the most? Stillwater, class II rivers, class III to III+ rivers? What is the normal gradient, flow and technicality of the rivers you expect to fish? How good are you at rowing in those locations? Are you certain you want a framed boat? Heavier, more difficult to set up and break down if that is a factor, but transfer rowing energy better. Would frameless suit your needs? Lighter, more easily fin kicked, slightly less responsive to rowing energy. Will you fish mostly alone? Do you want a craft capable of taking along a friend that can continually make you row whilst farming fish, who will then row a bit all over the place whilst you cast and he criticizes your every move? Will you fish on your feet and float point to point? Will you float and fish at the same time? So many variables. There is no one perfect boat, so you will need a bigger garage, shed and driveway...and your house is going to be full of new couches!

    Or you can just say, I'm getting a PAC 900 or 900 IR and call it good. There are many here who will offer up reasons why they went in one direction or another, calibrating you to their rowing experience and history of crafts they have had...including those they've loved and hated.

    The end result is you have a boat, and can reach places you could not before.
     
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    Ed Call Mumbling Moderator Staff Member

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    Keep your card close to the vest. I have a Bayliner too.
     
  3. DanielOcean

    DanielOcean Steelhead Virgin

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    Thanks Mr Call
     
  4. hookedonthefly

    hookedonthefly Active Member

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    Index to Big Eddy.
     
  5. DanielOcean

    DanielOcean Steelhead Virgin

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    See I don't even know what class 2 is or any of that kind of vocabulary. What class is the skykomish?
     
  6. Ed Call

    Ed Call Mumbling Moderator Staff Member

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    What's with this Mr. stuff? I keep looking around to see who you are talking too.

    First boat, tough choice. You will enjoy it and then will wonder what boat you will need to get next.

    Kent's suggestion on buying used is wise, like buying a new car versus a nicely cared for used or lease return. Don't rush. Scour all the craigslist ads from here to Montana. When you find the right boat, know you may be up for a fun road trip and fish your way back home.

    Ask all the questions you may have about boats that you may think best for your needs. So many helpful folks here will chime in and offer their wisdom. That is how I became an inflatable boat owner, and that started the affliction.
     
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    Ed Call Mumbling Moderator Staff Member

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  8. hookedonthefly

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    Daniel,
    Look somebody up that teaches running/rowing rivers. Shane Turnbull on the Sky at Chinook Expeditions is a super good dude; and, a pioneer in running rivers in Washington State. You might get connected with Capt. Ron. There are a number of whitewater outfitters that teach rowing/paddling. Wet Planet is another good outfitter.

    Whether it's the Yak, Sky, Skagit/Sauk, things can go super sideways quickly. It is a big world out there and if you get going faster than 5mph, bad shit can happen. LEARN TO RESEARCH THE RIVER YOU"RE RUNNING, LEARN TO SCOUT and LEARN TO MOVE YOUR BOAT! Yes, I'm yelling.

    It's a fun gig; but, never turn your back on Mother Nature.
    Ed
     
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    DanielOcean Steelhead Virgin

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    Hell yes.
     
  10. hookedonthefly

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    It appears you're in Monroe. Give Shane at Chinook Expeditions a call. They have some creative training sessions. Show up and hang around. You will learn more than you ever imagined about running rivers. Good people. Most whitewater guides/outfitters really like beer; and, that can help you quickly become less of a pain in the neck.

    Not all whitewater outfitters are the same. There are some to avoid.

    If you have questions, shoot me a pm.
    Ed
     
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  11. i told you, i will teach you the basics, and after a few strokes we can run boulder to reiter
     
  12. golfman44

    golfman44 4-Time Puget Sound Steelhead Guide of the Year

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    Class ratings are given to each individual rapid. A river could have many class 4 rapids and many class 1s.
     
  13. like matt said a river can have a class 4 wave inside of its class 2 rapid
     
  14. Supacash

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    Thanks! How do you like the 9000? Do you really feel a difference using the "quad tube" design?
     
  15. cuponoodle breakfast

    cuponoodle breakfast la flama blanca

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    After having multiple pontoon boats, I've settled on a 9ft model. The 10 footer I had was super stable, but the damn thing weighed around 100lbs, which takes away all the convenience of a pontoon. The 9ft boat I have now is stable, but light enough to easily move to and from the water.
    I'm not a small guy and the 9ft model fits all my needs for all the S rivers, plus a couple of east side rivers.