tippets whats best??

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  1. 10incher

    10incher Active Member

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    I buy the small spools of "leader" material in mono. Much better value. Usually Stren original or Trilene XL in clear. I'm not great with knots so I use a back to back double grinner for line to line connections and fluorocarbon is too brittle for this knot. I can tie the other knots (surgeons and blood) and I test, non scientifically, different materials with different knots. So, it's mostly because of my knot MO that I use mono. I love fluorocarbons thin diameter, low stretch and low visibility. It's finicky with certain knots though.
     
  2. Kent Lufkin

    Kent Lufkin Remember when you could remember everything?

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    Sounds to me like your twisting problem might be a combination of casting mechanics and using too-small tippet on too-large fly patterns. Even on Stillwater, where fish can be notoriously leader-shy, I rarely fish anything smaller than 5x, and then only with dries or small nymphs at say size 12 or smaller.

    When I fish larger dries, say size 10 or bigger, the smallest I'll use is 4x. With streamers or heavily-weighted nymphs, I prefer 3x. With large streamers on a sinking line, I use a shorter furled leader with 3x or 2x tippet.

    Unlike Richard (with whom I've fished a lot), I almost never use 6x. When I do it's only for very small (size 18 or smaller) dries.

    K
     
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  3. JayH

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    I prefer the monofilament over the flourocarbon simply because it seems to hold my knots best. 5x and 6x just because it makes me feel like more of an angler if I can land the bigger fish on smaller tippet :)
     
  4. 10incher

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    Huh?!? And I've been using 5x and 6x tippets because the small flies I tie on for little brushy creeks act like they're tied to a stick if I use anything bigger. Isn't playing bigger fish longer on light tippets on purpose sort of irresponsible since it increases post release mortality? I'm not a raving hater or anything, just offering it for consideration.
     
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    4X and 5X are to big for some of the smaller flies that are used. I tried to get some 4X through some size 22 eyes. It wasn't going to happen. And I had to snip the 5X on the slant to thread it through them small eyes.
     
  6. JayH

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    You may be right. For some reason this conversation reminds me of all the off-road drivers (four wheel drive trails) who see an obstacle in the middle of the trail and think that all they need to do is get big enough tires, apply enough skinny pedal, and keep turning the steering wheel and they'll get by it (with enough time.) And then there's the guy who comes up in his little Jeep with tires half the size, looks at it for a minute, steers into a weird little corner and crawls straight over the thing. One drives with his balls, the other with his brains.

    It doesn't seem to me that there's much sport to just powering through everything. Am I being insensitive to the fish and killing some needlessly? Maybe. One thing I know - I'll be considering the question the next time I'm on the river. Thanks.
     
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    I've never found a need to go smaller than 4x, even on spring creeks where regulars swear you can't catch fish on anything bigger than5x.
     
  8. 10incher

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    I mentioned that I buy spools of "leader" instead of those pitiful, tiny spools of "tippet". IIRC 5X is 4lb. That's what I use on little creeks. The seven to ten inch fish don't stand a chance on four pound test. But... Then there's that occasional 13 or 14 inch surprise. I've never had to play a fish for that long though. I don't have the patience for long fish fights. If it goes past a couple of minutes I worry that the sand papery teeth and underwater root balls and rocks will weaken the tippet too much and I'll likely lose the fish anyway. So I try to get them in fast and sometimes a big one leaves with my fly. My first time fishing Putah Creek in Ca. I managed a tricky cast that got me into what I'll guess as a 20+incher. I was using 5X and the fish was using the fast current seam. I lost that one because I couldn't chase it down river and tried to horse it out of the fast water. It would have been the biggest bow of my life too. Not counting steelies. I might have played that one longer just to catch it if I'd had more wits about me. Wits are often in short supply when your surprised like that. So no hard feelings.
     
  9. Josh

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    Like frog hair. But I'm not too picky.
     
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    For everyone who says that their large tippet doesn't scare fish away: How would you know? Maybe you'd catch more with smaller tippet?
     
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    I used to fish smaller leaders, but I got tired of line issues and losing that surprise brute fish. I use mostly 3-5x, but I still carry 6 and 7. I am satisfied with my hookup rate with bigger leader, as it has not changed; however, my fish to net rate has increased with fewer breaks. I also loose fewer nymphs to structure with stronger leader.
     
  12. 10incher

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    I've had refusals on 6lb. (2X?) from a holdover steely in Pilchuck creek. Being a holdover stuck in skinny, early fall water I'm sure it had seen a fly before. And the water was so clear that you literally had to poke a stick into it to be certain of the depth or you'd float your hat. I promise it was fine with the Green Butt Skunk I teased it with. But once it got close it paused... And then turned fast. Never to advance on another offering. I think it saw the line and remembered a bad experience. Seeing as the fish was about two feet long I probably wouldn't have landed it on anything finer anyway.
     
  13. tinman207

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    I think most 6lb is 3x or 4x.
     
  14. 10incher

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