Tribe Drift Netting Spawning Steelhead on the Hoh?

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  1. Jonathan Tachell

    Jonathan Tachell Active Member

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    I just got off the phone with the director of natural resources for the hoh tribe and he said that they are only issuing ceremonial permits right now on a one by one basis. He said that there should have only been three tribal members gill netting this week with one member netting one day for a total of three days of netting this week. He said there quota of fish is low usually 1 to 5 fish for each ceremonial permit. He also said that they give the wdfw 24 hours notice before a permit is fished on. He said if anyone sees something illegal or netting activity going beyond this then they should call Brian Fairbanks the wdfw officer out there near forks and he can relay it to the tribes or you can call the head fisheries biologist for the hoh tribe at 360 374-6737. He said that the hoh tribe only has one officer that is dedicated to fish and game enforcement and that they could use our help with reporting illegal activity.
     
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    Thanks for the useful information Jonathan.
     
  3. Matthew Gulbranson

    Matthew Gulbranson Resident Swinger

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    This kind of thread gives me a little hope that with all of our eyes, cell phones, and connection that we can do something about supporting these fish. One call might seem futile, but if we all act together, all those drops in the bucket add up. Policy change is a long and arduous process, but nothing will happen if we choose not to act.
     
  4. James Mello

    James Mello Inventor of the "closed eye conjecture"

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    I think that you owe the Hoh tribe (specifically the bio) an apology. While we don't like the harvest, it is in their rights, and based on his response, is about as low impact as things can be expected. The less adversarial the conversation, the better overall.
     
  5. Jonathan Tachell

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    I don't believe I owe anyone an apology. I called the tribe directly and had a polite conversation with their natural resources director. I got the opportunity to ask him some questions and he was nice enough to answer them. He also filled me in on how the process works and how they communicate with the wdfw. He also said that there are tribal members who break the law and don't always get caught, which I responded with well that goes for recreational fisherman as well. We can't let a few bad apples ruin it for everyone.

    That being said, we had a nice civil conversation that left me feeling better about the situation than before I had made the call.
     
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  6. James Mello

    James Mello Inventor of the "closed eye conjecture"

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    Earlier accusations were pretty blunt and ended up causing a lot of folks to be come verbally aggressive. If you feel that you didn't start off with an antagonistic attitude, then I feel you are mistaken.

    To quote:

    "Yeah I heard about this and it is complete bullshit. If the wdfw won't step up and co manage the resource then maybe its time for us fisherman to do something about the nets being fished out of season. Anyone have a sled and a bunch of bails of hay?"

    "I would be surprised if I get a call back from either"

    Not exactly polite.
     
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  7. Jonathan Tachell

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    Your right James I did start off angry because of what I heard. Although I thought the source was accurate about what he had been seeing and may still be. However, i decided to do my homework and follow up on my concerns. Which I am glad I did and think my last few posts reflect how I feel about the situation since I first heard of it. I am a fisherman and I should know better than to take another fisherman's word as gospel. Sorry if i ruffled anyone's feathers but i am passionate about our fisheries and i don't want to see them abused by anyone.

    Tight Lines James!
     
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  8. James Mello

    James Mello Inventor of the "closed eye conjecture"

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    I didn't take it in any way other than being passionate. It's just we aren't going to have any reasonable influence if we continue to have an antagonistic attitude. There are some tribes where any approach is going to be difficult at best regardless of a good relationship or not. But as an example of good cooperation, look a the Skagit river tribes during the 80's and 90's. Good relationship, good science, good management.

    At any rate, the better off we can be with the "new guard" of bios and fish managers, the better things will probably become. There are some tribes where policy is still dictated by a fisheries council that is "old school" and actually ignores the younger bios. But over time, this will change, and if we have a working partnership with the younger guys, the more likely that 15-20 years from now, we'll have a lot more influence and leverage.
     
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  9. Sean Beauchamp

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    Never mind waste of breath goodbye hoh steel
     
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    I'll take passion over apathy any day.
     
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    shoulda left it up
     
  12. Jim Kerr

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    Looks like some boys got wound up! Good. This year several calls have been made about irregular netting, and when enough calls have been made, we have gotten a response. Sometimes nets being removed from the river by enforcement. If you see a non tribal guy snagging fish, killing nates where he shouldn't, or using a drift net (it happens), you should call enforcement. Its no different for tribal guys. We are co-managers.
    Sport anglers should know that drift nets are being used to harvest native steelhead for sale (on the queets 5 days a week). They should know that these nets are being used where native steelhead are trying to spawn.
    This is legal, but we, as co-managers have a say in how many fish are harvested. And we have a responsibility to make sure everyone is acting honestly and the numbers are correct.
    If it doesn't look right, shoot some film, then ask around, if it seems like its illegal call and send the footage.
    Get real pissed off at anyone taking native fish illegally.
    real fucking pissed.
    Thanks guys
     
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  13. freestoneangler

    freestoneangler Not to be confused with Freestone

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    "They should know that these nets are being used where native steelhead are trying to spawn.
    This is legal, but we, as co-managers have a say in how many fish are harvested."

    THIS IS RIDICULOUS...AND SAYS TO ME THAT WA TRIBES ARE NOT SERIOUS ABOUT PROTECTING ENDANGERED SPECIES. ALSO WHY, AS MUCH AS MANY ON THIS SITE HATES TO HEAR, WE SHOULD TAKE THE LEAD BY BEING WILLING TO CLOSE ALL FISHING ON RIVERS IN ORDER TO GIVE THEM THE BEST ODDS FOR RECOVERY.

    THIS IS ALSO WHY I DO NOT SUPPORT THE OCCUPY SKAGIT EFFORT...I BELIEVE IT IS SHORT SIGHTED AND SENDS THE WRONG MESSAGE.
     
  14. Jim Wallace

    Jim Wallace Smells like low tide.

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    Freestoneangler, remember that the Tribes do not differentiate between wild and hatchery fish. To them they are all the same. They have their hatcheries to keep the runs strong!;):confused::eek:
     
  15. James Mello

    James Mello Inventor of the "closed eye conjecture"

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    Hoh fish are not listed. I do believe that the Skagit river tribes haven't put a net in since the closure.