Waiting for the BIG Coho...

Discussion in 'Saltwater' started by dryflylarry, Aug 26, 2013.

  1. ten80

    ten80 Active Member

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    I should revise my statement to include the following:

    Don brings up a good point, but I guess one should also consider whether the 6wt is fast action (and I assume it has a fighting butt), the skill of the angler, and the level of crowding at the beach to be fished. I have never regretted fishing my 9 or 10 ft 8wt rods, especially when on a busy beach where my neighbors might not appreciate me playing a fish for a long time.

    I find my 8wt rod takes less effort to punch through strong winds than a lighter rod, but do agree that casting such a rod can wear out your arm after several hours.
     
  2. Steve Saville

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    An 8 wt. should not make you any more tired casting than a 6 wt. That, sir, is a myth. If you can cast a 6 all day, the 8 will be just as easy if you master it.
     
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    I use a 12wt spey and just hoist them up on the beach. :rolleyes: A 6wt will work just fine if you play them aggresively. I normally use a 7wt and the fight rarely lasts more than 2 minutes. we are talking 6 to 12 pound fish, not 100 pound tarpon which are commonly fished with 10wts.
     
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    I can see some good points in both arguments here. Last year I caught a couple of my biggest fish earlier in the run when I was still using a 6wt. I was able to play them both to the beach quickly and without walking them down the entire beach. A fast action 6wt has plenty of backbone to handle a hot ocean fish.

    Steve, I agree that most fisherman can cast an 8wt all day without issue. However, technically it does require more engery to cast as the rod, reel, and line are all heavier. I have an 8wt Redington RS4 and it's fairly heavy and tiring to cast. Switching up to a lighter 6wt there's a noticable difference in the ease of casting. That said, I'm sure an 8wt Sage One would be a pleasure to cast all day, but in the budget category it's a little different I think.

    This year I have settled on a 9'6" 7wt Redington CPS and it seems to be about perfect and the best of both worlds. It casts much nicer than my 8wt and has plenty of backbone to punch into the wind or show a coho who's boss when the beach is crowded. I haven't used my 6wt or 8wt since getting it.
     
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    8wt reels, rods and lines are heavier! they take more effort to cast....
    just take one of each out to the beach with you and it will be very obvious. I know this to be true because i run the same exact line configuration on both rods and the bigger rod will def put more stress on your arms in a full days worth of casting.
     
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    Steve, I know that you are a great caster and can launch an 8wt line with ease, but I believe you are speaking an often heard dogma that defies the laws of physics. I do not mean this as an insult to your integrity or fishing ability, I just question the basis of this mantra that I keep on hearing from fly fishermen.

    Physics dictates that a heavier object takes more energy to move as the force required to move an object is a function of it's mass and acceleration. Given that a 6wt rod/reel/line weighs less than an 8wt combination (same model and manufacture, but smaller) and a similar desired acceleration (assuming casting speed remains the same for any weight rod), the lighter rod requires less force (energy) to cast. It can be argued that a heavier reel balances the heavier rod and line, however a heavier object has greater inertia which requires greater force to overcome. For example, I don't think anyone would argue that a 16 wt rod requires less effort to cast than a 1wt rod, the difference between 8 and 6wt is just smaller, and may be negligible for proficient caster.

    Anyways, this discussion is beyond the point of this thread, so it need not be pursed further. I think that this comes down to the fact that either my setup is not balanced correctly or I am not an awesome caster, so in my opinion, an 8wt rod can be tiresome to cast all day. This may be the case fore others as Stonefish and others have mentioned.

    If money was no object, I would use a high-end, 10ft 7wt with 8wt shooting head line for beaches. Currently, I have a medium-soft-action 6wt and a fast-action 8wt rod. The choice of using a heavier rod is a no-brainer for me.
     
  7. Stonefish

    Stonefish Triploid, Humpy & Seaplane Hater

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    I base my thoughts on an 8 wt being more tiring on my own fishing.
    I generally try to make the most of my fishing time, so fishing 6+ hours per day isn't uncommon.
    To me, coho fishing is a numbers game. The more casts you make with your fly in the zone the better your odds of hooking up.
    I have the same outfit in both a 6 and 8 and find the 6 infinitely more enjoyable and less tiring over a full day of fish.
    Best thing you can do is fish with whatever rod wt you find enjoyable.
    Bring on the ocean coho!
    SF
     
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  8. Jeff Dodd

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    Saturday morning at Casey a pod of ocean coho came through and there were 6 or 8 landed. One fish was 30 inches and well over 12 pounds! Very nice fish. Plenty of nice 8 pound fish in the bunch as well. My fishing partner landed one fish twice. Had him well up the beach but the fish scrambled back to water before anyone could get over to help. The fly held and he was landed after two additional long runs. fly was a very sparse sand lance pattern.
     
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    Jeff, where is Casey, is it up in the north sound?
     
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    Ft. Casey is a State Park on Whidbey, across the inlet from Port Townsend. You could walk across the ferry and fish it but you would be passing up good water that does not require a ferry commute.

    Plenty of fishing beaches here but the fishiest looking water is near the point.
     
  11. Nels

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    Thank you all for weighing in! I like the idea of a 10ft 7 wt - maybe I'll find one under the Christmas tree this year :)
     
  12. dryflylarry

    dryflylarry "Chasing Riseforms"

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    OK, I'll settle this! 6 wt. rods and BIG ocean Coho are on the menu! :D
     
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    This, i have a newer stiff 6wt and a 1980s graphite III 7 wt and the 6wt is way more rod. I havent cast an older 8wt but I am betting they would be close.
     
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    I'm heading up to the island to visit my father for labor day weekend and may very well go up to Casey. Is the long public beach area south of the coupeville-port townsend ferry terminal any good? I've seen guys fishing there a few times.
     
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    Plenty of beach to spread out on and there were TONS of pinks moving through on Saturday. Current is pretty wicked there which might be a good thing for coho, but I suspect it also gets fairly windy.
     
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